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Old 12-03-2019, 03:36 PM
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the reason i had for starting to talk about the PDGA was just to have THEM set the flight numbers. . and for that a machine would be nice to have.
...but that´s never going to happen
Its just not what a governing body does.

You can look at any sport. Ball golf is a biggie when it comes to claims about balls going further or adding control or what a driver can do. The manufacturer or retailer can make whatever claim they want the governing body just wants them to be legal per their specs.

Same with all kinds of equipment from hockey sticks to tennis rackets. Its actually odd in some sense that the manufacturers have given us sorta standardized flight number scheme its really a concession to the player base where maybe in another sport there would be a lot more claims of performance that are way outside what we see in comparison between similar discs from different manufacturers.
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Old 12-03-2019, 04:49 PM
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I've often thought about this and am very confused by the pessimism some folks in here are having for such a machine. Regardless of how well you personally throw the disc, you could have DEFINITIVE evidence on how two discs fly differently. You could dial in at what speed specific discs will start to flip and decide if that is right for your arm speed. If each new run of discs came out with its own "flip rating" I would be absolutely ecstatic. And yes, controlled conditions are not the same as real-life weather conditions but I assume you are smart enough to figure out how weather would affect the flight on your own.

Anyway, I see a lot of good in such a precise machine to determine how a disc will fly for your particular arm speed.

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Old 12-03-2019, 06:27 PM
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Ton of views? As in 2000? Yeah probably. Derail alert.. I was just looking at view counts on dg videos. I haven’t watched any dg on YouTube in a couple years. The views used to be 10K maybe 30K for big tourneys. Now I’m seeing jomez videos with 200-500K or more? I think they are buying a substantial number of views...


Admits he hasn’t watched in years, yet immediately fabricates a conspiracy theory explaining the phenomenon he is just now becoming aware of.

Bravo, man. You just got promoted to the rank of Internet Lieutenant.

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Old 12-03-2019, 06:29 PM
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I've often thought about this and am very confused by the pessimism some folks in here are having for such a machine. Regardless of how well you personally throw the disc, you could have DEFINITIVE evidence on how two discs fly differently. You could dial in at what speed specific discs will start to flip and decide if that is right for your arm speed. If each new run of discs came out with its own "flip rating" I would be absolutely ecstatic. And yes, controlled conditions are not the same as real-life weather conditions but I assume you are smart enough to figure out how weather would affect the flight on your own.

Anyway, I see a lot of good in such a precise machine to determine how a disc will fly for your particular arm speed.


So much this. From an engineering standpoint, it would be a huge advantage to quantify the values expressed in the flight numbers with repeatable results that can be demonstrated.

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Old 12-03-2019, 06:48 PM
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Admits he hasn’t watched in years, yet immediately fabricates a conspiracy theory explaining the phenomenon he is just now becoming aware of.

Bravo, man. You just got promoted to the rank of Internet Lieutenant.
Fake views bro.
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Old 12-03-2019, 06:52 PM
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So much this. From an engineering standpoint, it would be a huge advantage to quantify the values expressed in the flight numbers with repeatable results that can be demonstrated.
If you really need a robot to produce repeatable results, maybe you shouldn't be throwing plastic discs.

How much do you think the existing numbers would change? Aren't they pretty much in the ballpark right now? I really don't see how this would be a huge advantage, at all. It would be a minuscule improvement.
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Old 12-03-2019, 06:59 PM
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I've often thought about this and am very confused by the pessimism some folks in here are having for such a machine. Regardless of how well you personally throw the disc, you could have DEFINITIVE evidence on how two discs fly differently. You could dial in at what speed specific discs will start to flip and decide if that is right for your arm speed. If each new run of discs came out with its own "flip rating" I would be absolutely ecstatic. And yes, controlled conditions are not the same as real-life weather conditions but I assume you are smart enough to figure out how weather would affect the flight on your own.

Anyway, I see a lot of good in such a precise machine to determine how a disc will fly for your particular arm speed.
You would still need to throw the discs to figure out how they work with your throw! That flip rating will still be different between any two players. And, the same mold inconsistencies will still exist. we are talking about PLASTIC DISCS. These are not precision milled objects like golf clubs are!

Regarding golf clubs, sure you have numbers based on loft of club. But that still doesn't mean that every 41 degree 9 Iron is going to hit the same for every player. Many factors involved in matching your swing to the proper club/shaft/grip combo. Factors that you can't assess by watching a robot hit those clubs.. Same thing with discs, only the discs themselves are inconsistent, so all this talk about dialing in the ratings using a robot is just friggin DUMB.

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Old 12-03-2019, 07:03 PM
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If you really need a robot to produce repeatable results, maybe you shouldn't be throwing plastic discs.
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Old 12-03-2019, 07:05 PM
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I think the issue, even if a device could be made, is dealing with the inconsistencies from run to run of a mold that's been tested. Even within a run, could you get samples from each end and various points in the middle? Would you need to test how well the plastic in a mold ages? Over what time period and what usage level?

While I don't doubt the "cool factor" as an engineer, if it can be done, I just question the functional usefulness of the data other than comparing discs both within a run and between runs of similar discs made by different manufacturers. And by functional usefulness, I mean economic return. For if the idea made sense economically for any entity within the sport, it would have been done by now. As others have said, it shouldn't be that tough to do compared to the hundreds of technological breakthroughs we've all witnessed or used.

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I think the issue, even if a device could be made, is dealing with the inconsistencies from run to run of a mold that's been tested. Even within a run, could you get samples from each end and various points in the middle? Would you need to test how well the plastic in a mold ages? Over what time period and what usage level?

While I don't doubt the "cool factor" as an engineer, if it can be done, I just question the functional usefulness of the data other than comparing discs both within a run and between runs of similar discs made by different manufacturers. And by functional usefulness, I mean economic return. For if the idea made sense economically for any entity within the sport, it would have been done by now. As others have said, it shouldn't be that tough to do compared to the hundreds of technological breakthroughs we've all witnessed or used.
I think this is the last thing the disc manufacturers want. It would show that every disc, even from the same run, have their own individual characteristics, as no two would fly exactly the same. Ball golf has Iron Byron. Certainly that could be used as a blue print for a machine, but again it would only expose the inconsistencies of the discs, so I don't see anyone putting up the cash to build it.
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