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Old 12-22-2019, 11:07 AM
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Adding pumping of the swing/windmill acceleration gif:

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Sorry for wall of text and lack of apostrophes but my keyboard sucks.

I was looking at this gif and me trying to apply it to a horizontal plane is where I kind of am as a thrower right now. Then, I was reading this article and think I had an aha moment combining this gif with Brads closed shoulder and Beato drills.
https://www.dgcoursereview.com/dgr/r...esecrets.shtml

This windmill move helps you really feel how using your lower body accelerates the arm/disc like stepping on the gas pedal. The problem is that when I just move it horizontally is that my natural tendency is to step on the gas at peak of my reach back which gives me a nice sling of my arm but I think means that peak acceleration has happened before the hit. Daves article above talking about the hit and acceleration there made this click for me. So now I want to understand if I have the sequencing correct.

Starting at the peak of your reach back, you dont engage the hips yet. First you guide/pull/drag the disc into the power pocket. I think you do this during the Hershiser move where your hips slide/lead your body forward. Hershiser leads into power pocket. Now here is where you combine the windmill acceleration with beato drill and walkers closed shoulder to apply acceleration to the move.

The first thing I think I was missing with the Beato drill was that I thought he was hugging himself and then realized that was not the case. But what I was missing in that drill is applying SW22s windmill feeling of using the lower body to power the Beato drill.

The next thing Im realizing is that closed shoulders arent about the line of the disc. Open shoulders may mean you are going to pull your shot, but more importantly it means that your lower body is no longer applying power and you are decelerating because the tension between hips and shoulders is gone. So you have to keep the shoulders closed while guiding the disc into the pocket while Hershising and then stepping hard on the gas at the power pocket/hit.

So to summarize from the peak of backswing, you Hershiser leading with your hips while dragging disc into the power pocket keeping shoulders closed and then you apply the windmill gif lower body/hip energy/acceleration at the hit.

Does this make sense? If Im on the right track here, I have a lot of work to do to ingrain that change of using the lower body later in the swing than I am currently.
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Old 12-22-2019, 02:57 PM
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I don't think that's quite right. You don't step hard on the gas (or crush the can) at the power pocket/hit. Crushing the can is what initiates everything. From there its a smooth acceleration through the hit. Eagle's front foot hasn't moved a pixel hardly from the top of his backswing to the release.



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Old 12-22-2019, 08:35 PM
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Sorry for wall of text and lack of apostrophes but my keyboard sucks.

I was looking at this gif and me trying to apply it to a horizontal plane is where I kind of am as a thrower right now. Then, I was reading this article and think I had an aha moment combining this gif with Brads closed shoulder and Beato drills.
https://www.dgcoursereview.com/dgr/r...esecrets.shtml

This windmill move helps you really feel how using your lower body accelerates the arm/disc like stepping on the gas pedal. The problem is that when I just move it horizontally is that my natural tendency is to step on the gas at peak of my reach back which gives me a nice sling of my arm but I think means that peak acceleration has happened before the hit. Daves article above talking about the hit and acceleration there made this click for me. So now I want to understand if I have the sequencing correct.

Starting at the peak of your reach back, you dont engage the hips yet. First you guide/pull/drag the disc into the power pocket. I think you do this during the Hershiser move where your hips slide/lead your body forward. Hershiser leads into power pocket. Now here is where you combine the windmill acceleration with beato drill and walkers closed shoulder to apply acceleration to the move.

The first thing I think I was missing with the Beato drill was that I thought he was hugging himself and then realized that was not the case. But what I was missing in that drill is applying SW22s windmill feeling of using the lower body to power the Beato drill.

The next thing Im realizing is that closed shoulders arent about the line of the disc. Open shoulders may mean you are going to pull your shot, but more importantly it means that your lower body is no longer applying power and you are decelerating because the tension between hips and shoulders is gone. So you have to keep the shoulders closed while guiding the disc into the pocket while Hershising and then stepping hard on the gas at the power pocket/hit.

So to summarize from the peak of backswing, you Hershiser leading with your hips while dragging disc into the power pocket keeping shoulders closed and then you apply the windmill gif lower body/hip energy/acceleration at the hit.

Does this make sense? If Im on the right track here, I have a lot of work to do to ingrain that change of using the lower body later in the swing than I am currently.
I agree with much of what you are saying except for the sequence of the gas pedal, and the body doesn't work on a flat horizontal swing plane.

The gas pedal move should be initiated while the arm/disc is still going back in backswing. It initiates the shift forward into the front heel and transition ground up into forward swing. You can see Wiggins in frame 2-3 making the gas pedal move and his rear foot is airborne before the elbow even bends.
https://www.dgcoursereview.com/forum...d.php?t=133319
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Old 12-22-2019, 10:09 PM
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So to summarize from the peak of backswing, you Hershiser leading with your hips while dragging disc into the power pocket keeping shoulders closed and then you apply the windmill gif lower body/hip energy/acceleration at the hit.
Lead with hersh but then I think of it more as leaving the disc behind, simultaneously. So as left cheek is going forward your hand/disc is getting left behind (rather than coming forward into the power pocket at this time).

Just as you can see in hubs windmill drill where he talks about "equal and opposite" https://www.dgcoursereview.com/forum...light=windmill

SW talked about this in his "door frame drills". Same thing. I think this is crucial; otherwise, you inevitably end up trying to throw prematurely.

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Sorry for wall of text and lack of apostrophes but my keyboard sucks.

I was looking at this gif and me trying to apply it to a horizontal plane is where I kind of am as a thrower right now. Then, I was reading this article and think I had an aha moment combining this gif with Brads closed shoulder and Beato drills.
https://www.dgcoursereview.com/dgr/r...esecrets.shtml

This windmill move helps you really feel how using your lower body accelerates the arm/disc like stepping on the gas pedal. The problem is that when I just move it horizontally is that my natural tendency is to step on the gas at peak of my reach back which gives me a nice sling of my arm but I think means that peak acceleration has happened before the hit. Daves article above talking about the hit and acceleration there made this click for me. So now I want to understand if I have the sequencing correct.
So, I was trying to do what you were trying to do to in applying a lot of the info to a horizontal swing plane. That's probably where the breakdown is honestly. I now think of it as more a vertical swing and it's so much easier to use the ground as leverage with this mentality. If you're like me, it'll take awhile for your mind to process how exactly this works out but game changer:
https://www.dgcoursereview.com/forum...d.php?t=134415

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I appreciate all the thorough responses here. I was just reading a reach back timing thread and realized my whole timing is fubar which is consistent with your feedback here. This damn game...
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If it were easy, we wouldn’t love it so much...
or we’d be pros living out of a van down by the course (by the river).
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Brodie in working in Gears on the Butt Wipe - "game changer":
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Brodie in working in Gears on the Butt Wipe - "game changer":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2q8CWHn-pLg#t=7m20s
My wife hearing only the audio as I watch a couple dudes talking about butt cheeks, pressure and pelvic thrusts... ha

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Humping the goat.

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