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Starting this new thread for the new year. I was starting to get a little anxiety when posting in my previous thread because I felt that I was not doing enough to justify the title. Even on the title for this thread I was trying to think of something clever like "the Brockness within". Simpler is better, this is what I would like to be my DG mantra this year starting with the thread title. I can apply that mantra to the game right away, but it will not be so easy for the bag yet. There are still several molds that I would like to try out before settling on a permanent bag, several questions that I must answer for myself about the discs that I need to accomplish a shot. A couple that come to mind.

I no longer like using a Firebird and the only use I have for it now is trick skip shots. What other discs can accomplish this that might be more enjoyable?

I love my Teebirds, but I have a burning desire to try a Pro Thundy. Is there a risk that I might like the Thundy so much that I will drop Teebirds altogether?

I love my Pigs, but might there be a putter that would bridge the gap between my Berg and MD3s even better?

Is the MD3 really the best mid for my game?

I doubt that any disc currently released would give my Berg a run for its place in the bag. I bounce back and forth for the Teebird, some days there is no better disc, others I start to wonder. All other discs in my bag right now are on the chopping block.

So here are my goals for the year.

- Solidify my disc selection
- Participate in 3 tourneys at MA2
- Reach 400' with my max D drivers (currently the Wraith)
- Increase consistency

The hardest of these will be reaching 400', but I was throwing about 450' in 2012 with Vulcans so it is possible for me to reach 400'. I was working out constantly at the time and getting 3 days of field practice in per week. The funny thing is there was only about 2 holes total in the 4 courses around me that I needed that much distance for. Now there is about 4 holes that I have not been able to birdie yet because of distance and Californians obsession with Par 3. I have rambled enough. I welcome suggestions and debate.
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Old 01-02-2019, 02:10 PM
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On the list for tryouts.

- MD4
- Gote
- Thundy
- P3
- Wizard
- Scale
- Kaxe

one concept bag I was thinking about, possibly just for travel

- Berg
- Tweener Putter/Mid
- Tweener Mid/Fairway (Kaxe?)
- Tweener Fairway/Distance (Thundy?)

probably toss in a windfighter or a more stable Thundy for a total of 5 discs.
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Old 01-14-2019, 03:25 PM
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Had a windy and rainy round this weekend.

Bag:

Distance Drivers:
171 Pro Wraith
175 Champ Wraith

Fairway Drivers:
170 Pro Teebird - New, Very Straight
175 MF Teebird - Most OS
170 Champ Roadrunner - Best distance/ turnovers

Mids:
177 C-Line MD3 - Main Mid/Windfighter
174 P-Line MD3 - US midrange

Putters:
171 K3 Berg - Main Putter/Flick Approaches
175 Pro Pig - Approaches/Flex Forehands/Driving Putter

Took the Firebird out, did not miss it. Despite the wind my Champ Wraith and MF Teebird did an amazing job, and I will no longer bag a Firebird unless I start to miss it. The rain (a sprinkle really) made gripping the Champion plastic a bit of a chore, but I handled it. The Pig handled the get out of trouble shots well and the RR was a boss in the tailwind. The MD3s were not thrown except for my practice drives before starting the round.

I still have not bought any new discs, but that is because I am waiting for the Kastaplast Gote to be released. Really I am just going to order a Gote, I-Blend Sphinx, Organic or PW Wizard, DX and Pro Wraith, and some back up Bergs in different plastics. I will probably change my mind again and try out a Pro Thundy and MOLF, or a D P3 or some other such nonsense, but I am hoping that is not the case.
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Took the Firebird out, did not miss it. Despite the wind my Champ Wraith and MF Teebird did an amazing job, and I will no longer bag a Firebird unless I start to miss it. The rain (a sprinkle really) made gripping the Champion plastic a bit of a chore, but I handled it. The Pig handled the get out of trouble shots well and the RR was a boss in the tailwind. The MD3s were not thrown except for my practice drives before starting the round.

I still have not bought any new discs, but that is because I am waiting for the Kastaplast Gote to be released. Really I am just going to order a Gote, I-Blend Sphinx, Organic or PW Wizard, DX and Pro Wraith, and some back up Bergs in different plastics. I will probably change my mind again and try out a Pro Thundy and MOLF, or a D P3 or some other such nonsense, but I am hoping that is not the case.
How windy was that last round for you? I ask because when I tried to take out Firebirds a couple years ago, 90% of the time it was fine. The 1 in 10 rounds or so where the wind was really ripping (15-20 mph plus) were terrible without it. They do come in handy for more than just windy days, but I feel like its good to bag something capable of holding up in serious wind. Solid looking bag otherwise.
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Old 01-18-2019, 06:32 PM
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How windy was that last round for you? I ask because when I tried to take out Firebirds a couple years ago, 90% of the time it was fine. The 1 in 10 rounds or so where the wind was really ripping (15-20 mph plus) were terrible without it. They do come in handy for more than just windy days, but I feel like its good to bag something capable of holding up in serious wind. Solid looking bag otherwise.
The coastal winds here are are a constant nuisance, that day was probably maxing out at 20 mph, but I am terrible at figuring out wind speed. It made it hard to get anything to finish right, but most of the holes on my home course are pretty open so throwing a MF TB straight at a basket was usually no problem. The main issue I have with Firebirds is that they seem like wasted space 90% of the time even with constant wind. That said, I have been looking at grabbing something that has a strong fade with glide so that I can get around objects rather than just diving into the ground. Not sure I can do much better than the Firebird, but I am keeping my options open.
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Old 01-18-2019, 06:37 PM
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For Reference, here is what my home course looks like

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The coastal winds here are are a constant nuisance, that day was probably maxing out at 20 mph, but I am terrible at figuring out wind speed. It made it hard to get anything to finish right, but most of the holes on my home course are pretty open so throwing a MF TB straight at a basket was usually no problem. The main issue I have with Firebirds is that they seem like wasted space 90% of the time even with constant wind. That said, I have been looking at grabbing something that has a strong fade with glide so that I can get around objects rather than just diving into the ground. Not sure I can do much better than the Firebird, but I am keeping my options open.
Firebirds are essential to me only because I throw FH often, they are very seldom used for BH. You are right that they tend to dive into the ground as they fade, instead of gliding around a corner when thrown BH. I've started to throw one of my more stable OLFs when I need a BH shot to carry around a dogleg left without spiking to the ground early. I'm getting much better results after switching my disc selection. A Thunderbird or PD are good alternatives to the OLF if your firebirds don't glide enough on hyzer. If the MF Teebird does the job then keep on throwing that, but I've never had a Teebird that was stable enough to encroach on Firebird shots (I used to bag several Teebirds back in 2016, none were even close to Firebird stability).

That home course looks really cool, nice pic!
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Firebirds are essential to me only because I throw FH often, they are very seldom used for BH. You are right that they tend to dive into the ground as they fade, instead of gliding around a corner when thrown BH. I've started to throw one of my more stable OLFs when I need a BH shot to carry around a dogleg left without spiking to the ground early. I'm getting much better results after switching my disc selection. A Thunderbird or PD are good alternatives to the OLF if your firebirds don't glide enough on hyzer. If the MF Teebird does the job then keep on throwing that, but I've never had a Teebird that was stable enough to encroach on Firebird shots (I used to bag several Teebirds back in 2016, none were even close to Firebird stability).

That home course looks really cool, nice pic!
Thank you, I dabble in landscape photography and was really missing my DSLR when I saw this view.

EDIT: and thank you for the disc suggestions, I have been reading up on Thundys and just started to look at OLFs because of a couple people here on the forums. I will have to look into those PDs as well

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Thank you, I dabble in landscape photography and was really missing my DSLR when I saw this view.

EDIT: and thank you for the disc suggestions, I have been reading up on Thundys and just started to look at OLFs because of a couple people here on the forums. I will have to look into those PDs as well
I wouldn't say that the three are interchangeable, but they will all serve the same purpose for you. None of the discs are really necessary if you like the Teebird as a fairway*. They will all be similar enough where you don't NEED both in the bag, but they all will pair well with a Teebird. The OLF is going to have the most turn of the selection, both the PD and Thunderbird flew like longer Teebirds for me. You really can't go wrong with any of the three, but the OLF would complement the Teebird better since it will fly a different path with more turn and fade. However, if you still want to limit molds, you may not want to carry both Teebirds and OLFs/PDs/Thunderbirds.

*Funny thing is that I bought my first OLF as a water disc. This particular disc sat in the used bin at PIAS for around 4-5 months. I worked about a block away from there so I would go down every week on payday and see what the new arrivals were. After seeing this particular OLF for months I figured it would make a good disc to throw when I didn't want to risk throwing my two favorite drivers (Teebirds and a Boatman, but don't worry about the Boatman). Pretty soon though I liked the OLF to throw my old favorites over water instead of that OLF. I'm glad I did since that was an old first run with the stamp wiped. Now I only have one of my old Teebirds and a big stack of OLFs.
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I love throwing firebirds or other OS things on big hyzers. It's a lot of fun when you don't feel like thinking and don't want to worry about the shot at hand. If I have a wide open 300' hole I'm throwing a FB hyzer.

If you found a stable Thunderbird it could pick up any shots you miss the FB from if you power it down a little, as well as being a straight to fade compliment to your wraiths at about the same distance maybe. And it would only require you slotting one in, and keeping the Teeb cycle going.
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