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Old 07-26-2020, 10:37 AM
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Found this published today... could be encouraging.
Interesting - as I understand it, antibody tests look for neutralizing B cells, which seem to start dropping off fairly quickly after the COVID infection is over. T cells and memory B cells may provide longer-lasting immunity and can be tested for, but the tests are more involved and typically only done as part of a research study.

If Covid-specific T cells and memory B cells persist, that could bode well for an effective vaccine. But it would also be nice to know whether a particular component of the immune response is most critical, or whether it takes a concerted effort by multiple components of the immune system.

But yes, I'll take all the encouragement science cares to offer.
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Old 07-26-2020, 11:30 AM
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I'm pretty sure the post I responded to had no data.

They have a "better health care system" with no metrics. I think if you looked at the metrics you might come to a different conclusion, especially as it relates to critical care.

General overall health, which I acknowledged should reduce their deaths.

Cultural differences are very vague and hard to quantify. But you need a little more than that to defend it.

Population density is a pretty easy metric to find some data for.

I'm not saying we should be doing the sweden thing. I'm just trying to figure out how my state did the Germany thing, but ended up with the same results as Sweden.
If you're referring to me, I never said better/worse. I said that we do not have easy universal access to primary care. Resulting in unmanaged disease among the same people who are ultimately more exposed in the first place during a pandemic, those who can not afford health care. The poor. That makes a difference. There are tons of studies on it, going back decades. Furthermore, I haven't even heard of a US state doing anything near what Germany did/is doing.. and I get to hear from people there, regularly (it's pretty clear you have no primary sources there, or in Sweden).

I suggest you go travel and see differences first hand, since no matter what I say you'll not accept it anyway.


btw, I agree we should look at different places to see what the variable are. However, insisting those variables do not exist is an interesting way to do that.

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Old 07-26-2020, 12:02 PM
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The key to Germany is the "stereotypical German efficiency ". I don't like stereotypes but I work for a bunch of Germans and even the customer that constantly changes his mind and adds stuff still does it with German efficiency.

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Old 07-26-2020, 02:12 PM
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The key to Germany is the "stereotypical German efficiency ". I don't like stereotypes but I work for a bunch of Germans and even the customer that constantly changes his mind and adds stuff still does it with German efficiency.

I Need diagrams, gotta answer questions, gotta have a plan even if it is a constant cluster f***.
Having a leader with a doctorate in chemistry instead of a reality TV host helps too.

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Old 07-26-2020, 02:24 PM
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Having a leader with a doctorate in chemistry instead of a reality TV host helps too.
Oops.



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Old 07-26-2020, 02:49 PM
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Oops.



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Yep, you got me...the political has gotten so entangled with the medical that unfortunately it’s impossible to discuss separately

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Old 07-26-2020, 02:56 PM
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Default A credible article

https://www.ucsf.edu/magazine/covid-...0sVSj5jDJFndn8

For your consideration.

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Old 07-27-2020, 09:51 AM
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That was a great article. Zero politics!!!

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Old 07-27-2020, 11:33 AM
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This is a very nice piece. Really breaking down some of the know information into basic anatomy and physiology. It does and excellent job of discussing the know etiology of this virus, in pretty understandable terminology.

Back in April, doctors in my system really started to suspect that the virus was manifesting itself in various body systems, but had zero data to do much to help. At that time, there were NO treatment options, outside of treating the symptoms by throwing know treatment options at them.

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