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Default Best EVER to have never won Worlds

With deference to this thread (I prerubed), but it was about the best of the current crop.

Let's discuss the greatest EVER (meaning at his/her sustained peak) to not win a World Championship in open.

For MPO is it and old schooler like Stokely; one who branches old and new like Anthon; one of the currents who never had a chance because of McBeast like Schusterick, Locastro, or Ulibarri; one who has masters championships like McCray, Rico, or Hammock; or someone not there yet, like McMahon or one of the young guns? Is it someone else?

Ditto question for FPO. Old schoolers will swear on Anni Kreml, but who else do you think? One of the young guns? I don't know, so let's here your thoughts.
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Old 10-19-2020, 03:51 PM
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Dr Rick Voakes. He played Masters (35 and over) for the '88 Worlds and beat the field by 5+ strokes. Same courses same days as MPO. Which makes the '88 MPO Worlds winner the only person to win the Worlds and not beat the field.

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Angela Tschiggfrie #16594 in the early 2000s.

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I really don't want to descend into another bout of "best" vs "greatest" so will phrase this somewhat awkwardly. It was surprising that Anni Kreml never won a title in FPO. I don't think I can say that about any other female player to this point.

She and Stokely have some things in common in that sense. Both were the longest thrower of the top golfers of the time and both were very near the top at Worlds for a number of years. It was never surprising that Scott did not win though because the assumption back then was Kenny was going to win every year.

Both Will and Nikko were the top rated player for a time and didn't win Worlds. Nikko's time at the top was also in the time frame when Worlds wasn't really being dominated by one or two people like Climo or Paul/Ricky. While not surprising that he never won a Worlds I think I would take Nikko as the MPO answer to this question.

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Dr Rick Voakes. He played Masters (35 and over) for the '88 Worlds and beat the field by 5+ strokes. Same courses same days as MPO. Which makes the '88 MPO Worlds winner the only person to win the Worlds and not beat the field.
Man, great answer and definitely an awesome piece of historical trivia.

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Jay Redding, has a bunch of Doubles titles with Sister Des Redding and Putting world champion contest titles but no single person worlds titles, I found this odd since he is good at long bombs and one course in 2009 using Kettle Morane had some of these.

Then the other Carrie Berloger, she played in open for years yet never won the Open Worlds women title but has 2 Masters 40+ titles in 2011 and 2014.
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Dr Rick Voakes. He played Masters (35 and over) for the '88 Worlds and beat the field by 5+ strokes. Same courses same days as MPO. Which makes the '88 MPO Worlds winner the only person to win the Worlds and not beat the field.
Had they known what we know now, that player ratings on average start to decline after age 40, Masters age might have been set at 40 by then and Dr. Rick would have had to play Open in 1988.

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Chris Dickerson could be a candidate.
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Angela Tschiggfrie #16594 in the early 2000s.
yes. good call. Easy to forget Angie.
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Had they known what we know now, that player ratings on average start to decline after age 40, Masters age might have been set at 40 by then and Dr. Rick would have had to play Open in 1988.
I hope I remember correctly but I have always thought Dr Rick was able to play either division (he had points for both MPO and Masters) but decided kind of late to play Masters.
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