#1361  
Old 10-02-2019, 02:00 PM
wolfmandragon's Avatar
wolfmandragon wolfmandragon is online now
* Ace Member *
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Morristown, TN
Years Playing: 6
Courses Played: 19
Throwing Style: RHBH
Posts: 2,647
Niced 1,177 Times in 678 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by rocthecourse View Post
I've been unsure of their business plan since they started Axiom. If it was me I would be trying to build one brand not two or three.
The way that Axiom was marketed was that it was for the brother that did less of the technical side and more of the marketing side, as he thought that the discs needed more bling. Who knows, that may be true. Axiom may have been launched to keep down family tension.

The cynical take at the time was that MVP wanted to compete with shelf space with trilogy. That also may be true.

From my time watching this play out, I think it was a bit of both.

Either way, Streamline needed to be on its own. Easy break in concerns.
Sponsored Links
Reply With Quote
  #1362  
Old 10-02-2019, 05:48 PM
Mediocrefellow Mediocrefellow is offline
Par Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: AB
Years Playing: 1
Courses Played: 2
Throwing Style: RHBH
Posts: 165
Niced 67 Times in 51 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Thmz View Post
So, i got my hands on a few Teleports and a Dimension. First thought's are, wow these are stable. One of the Teleports is much more stable than the other two. Same weight but difference in dome. The Dimension is an absolute beast. One of the most overstable discs i have ever thrown. It's like a Stiletto/really overstable PD2 but with glide. It is also super poptop, are they all like this?

The Teleports i really like. One is straight-understable, nice bit of turn and a good fade. One is straight, very minimal flip and healthy fade. The third is almost like a Dimension, no flip at all and really big fade. I feel like this stack of Teleports could fit in the bag with the Destroyers and PD2's i throw.
Just got a dimension and love it. It's exactly what my bag was missing. Headwinds at full power it flies straight forever with a small turn and healthy fade. My octanes and mayhems flip over in headwinds so it's a welcome addition to the bag and absolutely bombs. Gonna need a few more. Havent tried the teleport where does it fit stability wise?

Niced: (1)
Reply With Quote
  #1363  
Old 10-08-2019, 11:45 AM
Jacobpaul81 Jacobpaul81 is offline
Bogey Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: St Louis
Years Playing: 20.8
Courses Played: 95
Throwing Style: RHBH
Posts: 67
Niced 16 Times in 13 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Thmz View Post
Got my first taste in Gyro-plastic with the Neutron Proxy and a Neutron Envy. Absolutely love them both. But, the Proxy is a bit understable and the Envy is a bit overstable. So i'm looking for something in between. Like the stability of the Envy without the fade.
Plasma Envy. Plasma isn't as OS as Neutron, beats in quicker, and has more glide.

Niced: (1)
Reply With Quote
  #1364  
Old 10-08-2019, 12:28 PM
Thmz Thmz is offline
Newbie
 
Join Date: Aug 2016
Posts: 25
Niced 2 Times in 2 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mediocrefellow View Post
Just got a dimension and love it. It's exactly what my bag was missing. Headwinds at full power it flies straight forever with a small turn and healthy fade. My octanes and mayhems flip over in headwinds so it's a welcome addition to the bag and absolutely bombs. Gonna need a few more. Havent tried the teleport where does it fit stability wise?
For me the Teleport flies like how Dimension's fly in a headwind. Small turn and still a good fade. They actually go really far when you get them nose down and give them height. Probably the easiest distance if you have over 450ft of power.
Reply With Quote
  #1365  
Old 10-08-2019, 12:52 PM
Jacobpaul81 Jacobpaul81 is offline
Bogey Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: St Louis
Years Playing: 20.8
Courses Played: 95
Throwing Style: RHBH
Posts: 67
Niced 16 Times in 13 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by rocthecourse View Post
I've been unsure of their business plan since they started Axiom. If it was me I would be trying to build one brand not two or three.
This seems bizarre to me as well. Wish they'd just do multi-color rims on all their discs and be done with it. Name them what they want. We all call them all MVP anyway. Never heard anyone on the course say - "He throws Axiom!"

The way I understood the announcement was that they were moving everything in house and they needed to transition molds to their new equipment. Most of the midranges were made with the same core ... their original mold ... which apparently does not work on their new equipment. New molds are expensive - so I'm sure the discontinuation is a financial decision in order for them to successfully transition to their new equipment.

Niced: (1)
Reply With Quote
  #1366  
Old 10-09-2019, 11:11 AM
Mediocrefellow Mediocrefellow is offline
Par Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: AB
Years Playing: 1
Courses Played: 2
Throwing Style: RHBH
Posts: 165
Niced 67 Times in 51 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jacobpaul81 View Post
This seems bizarre to me as well. Wish they'd just do multi-color rims on all their discs and be done with it. Name them what they want. We all call them all MVP anyway. Never heard anyone on the course say - "He throws Axiom!"

The way I understood the announcement was that they were moving everything in house and they needed to transition molds to their new equipment. Most of the midranges were made with the same core ... their original mold ... which apparently does not work on their new equipment. New molds are expensive - so I'm sure the discontinuation is a financial decision in order for them to successfully transition to their new equipment.
There's that, which is reason enough I think, and the fact that despite a cult following of loyalists their mid's have been the weakest part of their lineup. Ive personally bagged a few tangents, an axis, vector, and theory and finally settled on proton and electron matrix's to cover all mid shots because I find it to be the most versatile mid they have.

I love my vector, and I loved my tangents until I lost the last one at hillcrest farms but honestly I found the tangent lacked glide, the vector wasnt as stable as I wanted, the axis was too stable and the theory was perfect but only as a slow turnover disc (which there's likely no better) and its hard to justify bagging one when I've got a beat electron atom that does the exact same shot and is also my putting mold.

My opinions don't matter though, I think it's the notion that in the public sphere/"forum-land" There are many who've vocalized the opinion that MVP's mids were their weakest point and when there's the buzzz and the comet to compete with I think they likely would have done it eventually no matter what.

They seem like guys who strive to move forward and are constantly fine tuning things. If you've ever dabbled as an artist of any kind (music for example) you know how difficult it is to listen to old songs you recorded in your earlier development - especially when set against your current work. It's an uncomfortable juxtaposition. But re-recording those old songs to match your current style and skill is the difference between having a few hit singles or having a hit ALBUM and I think they just want every song on theirs to be a chart topper.

I for one am excited to see what they come up with because their putters and drivers are leading the industry pack in performance IMHO.

Reply With Quote
  #1367  
Old 10-09-2019, 11:18 AM
Mediocrefellow Mediocrefellow is offline
Par Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: AB
Years Playing: 1
Courses Played: 2
Throwing Style: RHBH
Posts: 165
Niced 67 Times in 51 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jacobpaul81 View Post
Plasma Envy. Plasma isn't as OS as Neutron, beats in quicker, and has more glide.
Try an Atom?
Reply With Quote
  #1368  
Old 10-09-2019, 12:31 PM
ThrowaEnvy's Avatar
ThrowaEnvy ThrowaEnvy is offline
* Ace Member *
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Pender Is. B.C.
Years Playing: 14.2
Courses Played: 5
Posts: 2,283
Niced 803 Times in 558 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mediocrefellow View Post
Try an Atom?
In Neutron.. Heck yeah that will work but stock up quick..

Niced: (1)
Reply With Quote
  #1369  
Old 10-09-2019, 06:54 PM
Mediocrefellow Mediocrefellow is offline
Par Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: AB
Years Playing: 1
Courses Played: 2
Throwing Style: RHBH
Posts: 165
Niced 67 Times in 51 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ThrowaEnvy View Post
In Neutron.. Heck yeah that will work but stock up quick..
Yup, Neutron. Im kinda choked that ones OoP now... I love mine AND am gonna need a few more of them.
Reply With Quote
 

  #1370  
Old 10-09-2019, 07:48 PM
BeRReGoN BeRReGoN is offline
Par Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2018
Location: Montreal
Years Playing: 1.5
Posts: 108
Niced 58 Times in 37 Posts
Default

I like my neutron Atom but my proton Atom fly the same for me. It's a clear kind of purple color so it's hard to find so I use my neutron most of the time. Still I wonder why no more neutron Atom but if they do some in plasma It would be great.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
MVP Disc Sports (Official Thread) (Part IV) Noill Discs 5530 02-24-2019 12:36 PM
MVP Disc Sports (Official Thread) (Part III) Three Putt Discs 5403 06-13-2016 12:16 PM
MVP Disc Sports (Official Thread) (Part II) Three Putt Discs 4612 05-16-2014 05:11 PM
MVP Disc Sports (Official Thread) cmrichar Discs 5362 05-11-2013 09:34 AM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 08:12 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.10
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.