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Old 11-09-2017, 05:19 PM
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We (our club members) are encouraged to get out and basically do as much trimming as we like. Not many really go out and do it, though. It still has to be done responsibly of course, which means avoid cutting anything too big (larger branches, small trees, etc.) Everything else is pretty fair game. Around here, any trimming grows back in no time anyhow, so it's a struggle just to try to stay on top of things.
We have a similar system. Clubs members are allowed a pretty wide berth by P&R as far as routine maintenance goes. We only have a couple of rules at present.

1 - No cutting anything live without P&R approval in advance. Aborist may have to concur on some decisions.

2 - Members have to meet with the P&R Ops Mgr face to face and sign a waiver before being allowed to perform any unsupervised maintenance.

P&R does all of the really heavy lifting, but if we abide by those two simple rules, we get to bring chain saws, chippers, pole saws, and anything else deemed necessary to assist with routine upkeep.

Until we make our first major mistake, we're golden.
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Old 11-09-2017, 08:52 PM
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Sort of like the question, "Is that drawing graffiti or art?"
Can't it be both? (Not saying all graffiti deserves to be called art, but...)



ON a different note, do your best to find out who's running the show. Park staff? Local club? Guy who lives closest to the course? If you can't find out the answer through reasonable diligence, the answer might be that it's you.

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Old 11-10-2017, 12:09 AM
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Can't it be both? (Not saying all graffiti deserves to be called art, but...)

All I see is a crappy warehouse in Secaucus, NJ that is 20 years past its point of condemnation.
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Old 11-10-2017, 07:20 AM
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From my experience most courses are under maintained ie limbs blocking ideal flight routes, etc.

From a course improvement/ethics perspective cut the limb. As long as you are not cutting down a tree you won't be doing any major harm.

And for that matter (an avid tree guru here) their are usually too many trees on most courses and error on the side of cutting down the tree/limb has usually been the best long term choice.

this is assuming the course isn't in the desert or plains.
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Old 11-10-2017, 09:03 AM
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From my experience most courses are under maintained ie limbs blocking ideal flight routes, etc.

From a course improvement/ethics perspective cut the limb. As long as you are not cutting down a tree you won't be doing any major harm.

And for that matter (an avid tree guru here) their are usually too many trees on most courses and error on the side of cutting down the tree/limb has usually been the best long term choice.

this is assuming the course isn't in the desert or plains.
I disagree. Well, not with the first sentence, but....

One person's "limb in the wrong place" can be another person's "limb defining the shot". I've seen renegade trimmers change the intent of the designer / course maintainer / person in charge---just because they had a different opinion of where the fairway should be open, or restricted.

Not to mention a few places where anyone cutting anything enraged other park users, who went to authorities, which wasn't good for the disc golfers.

As for the rest, always error on the side of not cutting a tree down. If you leave it and it's later decided that it can come out, you can cut it then. If you cut it first, if it's later decided that the tree was wanted, you can't exactly put it back.

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Old 11-10-2017, 10:04 AM
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what David said...

The process involved in any kind of maintenance beyond simply picking up trash and debris is going to differ from individual course to individual course. The importance of going through the process (whatever it may be) cannot be overstated. Step one is talking to the people in charge whether that is the parks dept or the club or whoever. If you talk to the parks dept and no one is in charge they will probably be happy to see that someone is offering some stewardship of the course.

The potential for negative consequences in simply going out and cutting stuff on your own is very real.

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Old 11-10-2017, 10:27 AM
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Like David said, we've had a couple of our local "pros" out with tree trimming equipment altering lines on our courses. And it caused a pretty big stir and a lot of anger and a rumored fist fight. You don't take it upon yourself to changes a course more to your liking or style. You ask the course captain and work with the club. Just don't do it if you respect others and the courses you play on. This has been a couple years ago now and these guys are still a joke in my eyes, even through they are supposed to be pros.
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Old 11-10-2017, 10:49 AM
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'Ethics' are a personal decision.

However, you can see by reading the posts to this thread, you'd be wise to cover your ass and do things the 'right' way, by following the (established) process. Despite the fact this may be a public park, stakeholders often feel a sense of ownership disproportionate to their actual roles in the situation.

On the up side, you'll be graciously introduced into the wonderful world of DG politics...

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Old 11-10-2017, 12:01 PM
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Some Parks & Rec departments are extremely particular about no1 making ANY alterations to the park. So particular in fact that there have been courses pulled because of rogue trimmers.

I would not make any adjustments to the course until you talk with whomever is charge of maintaining the park.

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Like David said, we've had a couple of our local "pros" out with tree trimming equipment altering lines on our courses. And it caused a pretty big stir and a lot of anger and a rumored fist fight. You don't take it upon yourself to changes a course more to your liking or style. You ask the course captain and work with the club. Just don't do it if you respect others and the courses you play on. This has been a couple years ago now and these guys are still a joke in my eyes, even through they are supposed to be pros.
I played the nooner at JB this summer while in the area and heard this exact thing. With a club as established as you have, with course captains, its disheartening that a "pro" would make rogue changes to the course to benefit their own game.
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