Pdga has finally announced new rules on transgender competition

[Broken Shoulder]

Originally Posted by dmoore1998

Except they don't, which is maybe MORE weird? Amateurs, all fine. Pro...everything is still fine except these 4 events they've picked out.

The requirements are different.

[dmoore1998]

Originally Posted by Broken Shoulder

The requirements are different.

What requirements are different between FA1 & FPO?

[Arisugawa]

Originally Posted by ru4por

No. I do anticipate an uptick in complaints issued against, non traditional looking, females. I believe this sort of policy encourages some (albeit very few) to hold those who are not like them in contempt. Short hair, loose baggy clothing....now are ok to question. Anonymously.....of course. "Hey, did you guys check that one girl in FA2? Looks like a guy to me. You are gonna need to make sure.....I mean, in the name of fairness, and all."

This is already happening in other sports where transgender women are banned or restricted. Swimming, for example. Cis women who don't conform to typical standards of beauty and body size are going to very quickly find themselves suspect, especially if they are like Ella Hansen and have the potential to dominate their competition.

[Shallows]

Originally Posted by Arisugawa

This is already happening in other sports where transgender women are banned or restricted. Swimming, for example. Cis women who don't conform to typical standards of beauty and body size are going to very quickly find themselves suspect, especially if they are like Ella Hansen and have the potential to dominate their competition.

TBF accusations that players who are eligible to compete should be ineligible to compete are even more prominent in the mixed divisions.

[davetherocketguy]

Originally Posted by ru4por

It is now the TD's job to pull aside the accused player and have difficult discussion with her, because has cropped hair? I find that uncomfortable and inappropriate, as another human. I am initially resentful for the PDGA putting me, or any TD, in that position.

Eff that. I've said this in another thread but that is some serious BS. All a TD should have to do is look at the players page on the PDGA web site to see if it says "M" or "F." Says M then ya gotta play mixed. Says F then play in the F divisions if desired. That's it. Period. And tell any complainers at the tourney to call the PDGA. If a TD can't do that then WTF are we paying the PDGA all this money for anyways? FFS

One of many reasons I am not running PDGA events anymore.

[Shallows]

Originally Posted by davetherocketguy

Eff that. I've said this in another thread but that is some serious BS. All a TD should have to do is look at the players page on the PDGA web site to see if it says "M" or "F." Says M then ya gotta play mixed. Says F then play in the F divisions if desired. That's it. Period. And tell any complainers at the tourney to call the PDGA. If a TD can't do that then WTF are we paying the PDGA all this money for anyways? FFS

One of many reasons I am not running PDGA events anymore.

That's exactly what Ru4por and I do.

[Skamanda]

Originally Posted by DanJon

As I read it, Natalie can play in two year's time under this new ruling (if she's keeps her testosterone levels up to date) at A Tiers or lower

I'm skipping a whole crap ton of this thread because I've got to leave for putting league in like -8 minutes, but I wanted to comment on this particular sentence.

At this point the PDGA has stated that they believe we have an unfair advantage. It doesn't matter at which level, the precedent has been set.

If we show up to an A tier, hell or a C tier, or even a local unsanctioned event, that declaration has been made. We will be resented, shunned, and treated as pariahs if we attempt to play FA/FPO. This is 100% a given at this point. I'm even having to have discussions with the wonderful ladies league I played in last weekend. That's the only round I've ever been able to play in the women's division - and it will probably be the last. Neither the league admins, nor I, want them to lose all of their regular players because they feel that I have an unfair advantage, whether I win or not (for the record, I lost by a stroke on Sunday).

So yeah, we're allowed to play, if we want to deal with the jeers, harassment, anger, and resentment that will be guaranteed to be leveled at us.

[Broken Shoulder]

Originally Posted by dmoore1998

What requirements are different between FA1 & FPO?

Are these the same?

For PDGA Amateur Majors, Pro Master Majors and all other PDGA events sanctioned at A-Tier level and below the requirements regarding a player's level of testosterone have been lowered from under 10 nmol/L for one year to under 2 nmol/L for two years.
Players are only eligible to compete in the gender-based FPO division at PDGA Pro Majors (Champions Cup, USWDGC, European Open, and Pro Worlds) if they began medical transition during Tanner Stage 2 or before age 12, whichever is later. The player must also continuously maintain a total testosterone level in serum below 2.0 nmol/L.

Edit: I see your point now. Fpo and fa1.
I was keying on the Majors distinction.
Which, is still stupid.

[Surge5]

Originally Posted by Nova P

Step on a Lego, PDGA.

I need to use this retort more often.

[TimSyl]

I suppose many on here would think of me as a transphobic hater. I was considering not renewing my PDGA for next year. Following this announcement I renewed. And, I'm NOT phobic or a hater, it is simply the correct decision.