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Hey, so basically my question is whether glide and stability (for a given speed) are actually independent variables. Are there discs that are overstable/fairly overstable that also have a high amount of glide?
Do manufacturers just tend not to manufacture discs that are both overstable and high glide or are these factors physically opposed from one another so that you can't really maximize both? I have tried a scorpion and it seems like it has an unusual amount of glide for being as stable as it is and it got me thinking that maybe disc manufacturers tried out making overstable high glide discs and they just didn't work that well. Sponsored Links
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If you want more glide look for domier discs as well. But there is always a trade off. Domey discs will fly a little slower and get effected by wind a bit more but they can also fly further due to the glide. Some of my favorite discs are understable molds but with a decent dome on them. They tend to not turn as much but still have glide so you can throw tight lines low through the woods.
I like my "more headwind" discs to be flatter so they can cut through the wind, they have less glide and surface area for the win to push it around too. Going into the wind you want speed more so then glide. Some things to consider.
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The scorpion manages to fight out of the anny and then actually bank off in the direction of the natural fade. Its a unique flight path thats interesting if dubiously useful. |
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*double post sorry*
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Technically, lift only creates instability if it doesn't act through the disc's center of mass. In practice, it almost never acts through this point. So, lift creates more instability if it acts farther from the center of mass. This is known from some of the work from the Potts/Crowther lab, which asserted that more overstable discs (e.g. the Flick) have lift acting farther from the center of mass than other discs (from the Wraith to the Buzzz to the Aviar).
But I don't think that answers your question. In practice, I can definitely think of some molds that have decent glide within the overstable class. (E.g. Drone, Predator) Then there are others that are essentially glideless (Buzzz OS, most Flicks - if we stay with Discraft) but also very overstable. I believe lift and overstability are both determined by wing shape, shoulder, and dome, but making a disc overstable doesn't necessarily kill lift, and vice versa. Also, within a mold it does seem that more overstable versions of a disc (e.g. I have some decent Firebird and Nuke experience) tend to have less glide. Flat top Firebirds are more overstable and tend to have less glide. Understable Nukes tend to have the most glide. However, there are all kinds of little variations. I have one very OS Nuke that also has great glide. I suspect Ezra Aderhold or some other DC pro could throw it 600'. In short, lift and stability are NOT independent variables, but making a very overstable disc does not doom the disc to being a glideless brick.
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what measurement tool are yall using to measure glide
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