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Old 09-15-2017, 03:53 PM
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Ya, and that is a problem. For instance, and let me remove ourselves from disc golf for a moment for some perspective. You could say you don't like vanilla ice cream, you could say that it is bad, and no one should argue with you seriously. However, if you were to say that a bowl of solid state ice cream in front of you was 110 degrees fahrenheit then people would and should disagree with you seriously. We could measure the temperature of that ice cream and it would be objective and it would be a fact. It wouldn't be your fact or my fact or anyone's fact, it would just be a fact.
Yeah, I guess I wasn't trying to argue facts as philosophy. Other than perhaps temperature is a man made up concept, to understand the idea of a consistent state of hot or cold. And I could say that the temp was different via a different scale. Also, reality and fact are a couple different concepts. I digress..........and am being factious.

But, that really wasn't the presentation given by Lazer.
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Old 09-15-2017, 03:59 PM
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Yeah, I guess I wasn't trying to present facts as philosophy. But, that wasn't the presentation given by Lazer.
Pretty sure it was exactly what I was presenting. But I'm not a very concise guy.
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Old 09-15-2017, 09:22 PM
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Pretty sure it was exactly what I was presenting. But I'm not a very concise guy.
My bad, I may have misinterpreted your post.
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Old 09-16-2017, 12:33 AM
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Are we saying ice cream is no longer ice cream after it melts?

Interesting.
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Old 09-16-2017, 01:55 PM
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Are we saying ice cream is no longer ice cream after it melts?

Interesting.
And is mouse essence no longer mouse when it is eaten by cat? When does it change its essence? Takes me way back to my intro philosophy courses, epistlemologically speaking.
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Old 09-16-2017, 05:02 PM
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Ya, and that is a problem. For instance, and let me remove ourselves from disc golf for a moment for some perspective. You could say you don't like vanilla ice cream, you could say that it is bad, and no one should argue with you seriously. However, if you were to say that a bowl of solid state ice cream in front of you was 110 degrees fahrenheit then people would and should disagree with you seriously. We could measure the temperature of that ice cream and it would be objective and it would be a fact. It wouldn't be your fact or my fact or anyone's fact, it would just be a fact.
And then I'd say I like my freeze-dried astronaut ice cream hot.

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Old 09-16-2017, 06:14 PM
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Melted ice cream is just highly sweetened, flavored cream.
Cat poop is just cat poop.

Upon close examination, you can tell what it used to be (i.e. chocolate, butter pecan, mouse, bird, fish, etc). It used to be that thing, but it no longer is.

Methinks that we've somehow strayed from the subject at hand, though.

Should you have the opportunity to play Harmony Bends, do so. I guarandamntee you will think it's a great course. By every criteria we use to rate courses, that much is a fact. Whether you think it's #1 or # 25 is your opinion.

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Old 09-16-2017, 08:55 PM
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Methinks that we've somehow strayed from the subject at hand, though.

Should you have the opportunity to play Harmony Bends, do so. I guarandamntee you will think it's a great course. By every criteria we use to rate courses, that much is a fact. Whether you think it's #1 or # 25 is your opinion.
The thing I like about the state of this golf is that I bet there are multiple courses from 1 - 25 or even beyond that I would consider relatively similar on a rating scale, even if the exact reasons are slightly different.

Ya know, ice cream's temperature isn't a "fact," per se. First of all, it depends how you measure it. Second, there's always measurement error. I guess it is objective, and measuring multiple ice cream samples or one sample as it heats or cools, by the same thermometer, should tell you whether they/it are/is warmer or cooler and by how much with some degree of certainty. How does this relate to disc golf courses again?
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