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Old 06-23-2021, 11:03 AM
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Default Overstable flat release vs stable hyzer release

What’s your thought process on whether to throw an overstable (Firebird/FD3 type) disc flat release versus a stable (TL3/FD type) on hyzer release? Assuming the two shots land at the same spot, which would fare better in moderate swirling winds?
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Old 06-23-2021, 11:39 AM
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Just curious on the assumption of "assuming the 2 shots land at the same spot"...so when we're not worried about distance or accuracy of landing with the swirling winds. What is it you're worried about in terms of "fare better"? The skip/finish after landing (depending if you're calling the landing pre or post-skip)? The line to get to that same landing spot?

If I have something as overstable as a Firebird...I'm throwing it flat because I'm not worried about it getting flippy in moderate swirling winds. If my choice is something that MIGHT get flippy, but I'm not 100% sure...I'll throw something stable on a hyzer because I'm not going to hyzerflip it all the way over into flippy territory most likely.

Generally speaking, if I can throw something flat...I will. For example, I throw my Valkyrie on a hard hyzer a lot for short, hard-breaking turns to the left, typically with low ceilings so spike hyzers aren't an option. I know it's going to turn hard left in the air when it slows down, but it's also going to take a big hard skip almost straight left when it hits the ground. The most overstable mid I have (drone) can't hit that shot (with me throwing it at least) because of that big, reliable skip. But that's all about knowing they won't land/come to rest in the same spot.

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Old 06-23-2021, 11:50 AM
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Firebird would be anhyzer, not flat, and more predictable, but also require more power.

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Old 06-23-2021, 12:23 PM
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The only time I’ll throw something like an FD on a big hyzer shot is in calm conditions and when I want more of a forward carry on the finish.

Any wind and I definitely disc up to a pretty over stable disc for predictability.

Obviously, everyone’s game is different.
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Old 06-23-2021, 12:35 PM
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An OS disc thrown flat will get a "J" shaped flight, with less overall lateral movement. A neutral disc thrown on hyzer will get more lateral movement on a more parabolic path. When I am picking between the two, my thought process is where do I need the fade, the entire flight or just at the end? A traditional dogleg where I am trying to cut the corner probably calls for a flat released OS disc, where a curved fairway probably calls for the other.

OS disc flat is going to handle more consistently in any wind.
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Old 06-23-2021, 02:26 PM
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Where's the acceptable miss? If I cannot get away with flipping it, I throw the overstable disc. If I need to make sure I get around/past something and not having it come back or getting it knocked down or even flipping it is okay, then the stable disc on a hyzer.

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