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Old 04-13-2021, 01:50 PM
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Hmm, so I have a sidearm, I'm almost 50, little over 6ft tall and overweight. Would the swedish style suit me? I'm 4 months into playing disc golf. Technically 5, but I injured my knee from practicing too much and was out for a month, plus winter so probably more like 3 months of actual play. I've hit the 300' plateau with both arms.
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Old 04-13-2021, 01:55 PM
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So Bradley "Spin And Throw" likes this guy's form. You?

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Old 04-13-2021, 02:34 PM
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So Bradley "Spin And Throw" likes this guy's form. You?

I do like how he rises on the left foot, but not the rest so much as he "shifts from in front" just like Bradley teaches in his One-Step vid. His hips are open in the x-step instead of slightly closed and then he leads the stride with his front foot instead of hips - Hershyzer Drills.

He seems to make some of the same points I talk about in PoP. Also the whole point of Door Frame drills and Open to Closed drill are to coil the swing back into the rear leg while striding forward.
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Old 04-13-2021, 03:55 PM
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So Bradley "Spin And Throw" likes this guy's form. You?

Yep yep spinning out.
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Old 04-13-2021, 08:52 PM
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If you look at the new series by Hyzeruni, he diagnoses that spin out as caused by sitting on the heels and not having the body balanced over the feet. That makes sense to me.

But BW is also seeing the spinout and saying it's because the hips rotate too late. The thing is, a baseball batter does rotate the hips closer to what BW seems to say, and gets completely around, with his back foot off the ground, so his weight must be on the front, but his body is way way behind the front foot. Confusing.
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Old 04-13-2021, 11:00 PM
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Thanks for the clarification. He has such a nice snap drill, that it”s easy to believe that all of what he’s saying is correct. I actually thought that when “Bradley Walker” was mention here, I thought of Texas super pro Bradley Williams for some reason.
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Old 04-14-2021, 10:01 AM
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I read the S&T stuff and what they say "others" teach isn't always what they do. For example they think everyone teaches an actual pulling motion across the chest rather and than a fixed upper arm. Well, some do - Stokely does, but he doesn't do it IMO. So probably what others think S&T teaches has some gaps too.

I think maybe there are 7 or 8 schools of thought on rotation.

1. Rotation is caused by a force applied by the trail foot perpendicular to the direction of throw.
2. Rotation is caused by a force applied by the plant foot perpendicular to the direction of throw.
3. Rotation is caused by a force applied by either foot that moves the mass of the body parallel to the direction of throw, and the brace is slightly off center line, so when the mass of body hits the brace it is forced to rotate.

Now multiply these by two: The case where you rotate on purpose, vs the case where you focus on something else and it happens anyway. Stokely is very clear in his clinics: as long as you wait to pull until the plant leg is down, everything else takes care of itself. I asked him about nose up, and he said just don't pull until you land. So now we're up to 6.

7. Rotation is a deliberate twist of the hips unconnected to feet. This I think is the BW S&T idea, but it's also the 3X pitching idea.
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Old 04-14-2021, 10:30 AM
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I read the S&T stuff and what they say "others" teach isn't always what they do. For example they think everyone teaches an actual pulling motion across the chest rather and than a fixed upper arm. Well, some do - Stokely does, but he doesn't do it IMO. So probably what others think S&T teaches has some gaps too.

I think maybe there are 7 or 8 schools of thought on rotation.

1. Rotation is caused by a force applied by the trail foot perpendicular to the direction of throw.
2. Rotation is caused by a force applied by the plant foot perpendicular to the direction of throw.
3. Rotation is caused by a force applied by either foot that moves the mass of the body parallel to the direction of throw, and the brace is slightly off center line, so when the mass of body hits the brace it is forced to rotate.

Now multiply these by two: The case where you rotate on purpose, vs the case where you focus on something else and it happens anyway. Stokely is very clear in his clinics: as long as you wait to pull until the plant leg is down, everything else takes care of itself. I asked him about nose up, and he said just don't pull until you land. So now we're up to 6.

7. Rotation is a deliberate twist of the hips unconnected to feet. This I think is the BW S&T idea, but it's also the 3X pitching idea.
It’s been mentioned in another thread (finish position?) that if you put your body into 4 or 5 correct positions sequenced throughout your throw, you can ‘think’ or ‘feel like’ you’re doing anything, and still have a nice form.
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Old 04-14-2021, 10:56 AM
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So left arm cracks the "whip" of the rest of the body?

To clarify, and curious what others have to say, do you move your off arm internally before pushing off your back foot to transfer weight? Or does one do this simultaneously (push off back foot and move off arm internally at the same time)?
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Old 04-14-2021, 11:11 AM
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To clarify, and curious what others have to say, do you move your off arm internally before pushing off your back foot to transfer weight? Or does one do this simultaneously (push off back foot and move off arm internally at the same time)?
Some of that is disc lagging shoulders lagging hips.
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