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Not a fan when dynamic luck vs linear skill can determine a winner.
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Old 01-28-2021, 02:11 PM
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That could all be true but I still think he has gotten as far as he has in disc golf primarily because of money. I dont understand peoples love for him, my interactions with him have been negative and because of that I dont put trust or faith in his dealings. Tin foil hat the whole way for me, I dont trust the guy.
That's fair, but I think it'd be better for the conversation for you to say why your interactions with him have been negative and then state that those interactions are influencing your guess about the money. Not that you're required to say everything you're thinking all the time; I simply think it's more authentic for you to say it that way, and more convincing for others.
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Old 01-28-2021, 02:14 PM
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Not a fan when dynamic luck vs linear skill can determine a winner.
Sports are not determined by skill alone. Do you not like sports?
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Old 01-28-2021, 02:18 PM
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Not a fan when dynamic luck vs linear skill can determine a winner.
I'm not sure how someone who beats 97.5% of a field and then beats two people heads up who also bested 97.5% of the field would be called lucky, but sure.

It's impossible to remove luck from anything, especially if you are subjectively looking for it.

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Old 01-28-2021, 02:19 PM
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Show me where he said it would "bring more money to the purse".



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The players will like it as long as the money is there.
this comment insinuates that the money wouldn't be there without match play.
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Old 01-28-2021, 02:35 PM
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this comment insinuates that the money wouldn't be there without match play.
No, it insinuates that the players will like anything as long as there's money there. The PDGA could host a cornhole tournament with $100,000 of added cash and the players would show up.

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Old 01-28-2021, 02:59 PM
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My "Confucius say" type disc golf comment is:

If there are tee pads and baskets, people will complain.

But if there are tee pads baskets and money, people will play.

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Old 01-28-2021, 03:50 PM
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No.

Let's say there are 100 players with a 40% payout.

After four rounds, players placing 5th through 100th will be cut. Players placing 5th through 40th will get paid like any PDGA event.

The top 4 then advance to Championship Sunday.

The same logic applies to both divisions of MPO and FPO.
So 5th thru 8th place will all be eliminated at the same time and award the amount, since this is match play correct? I can't see a fair way of seeding those places without additional play.

Thank you for the clarification, i'am just geek out over match play seeded. Too much March madness as a kid.
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Old 01-28-2021, 03:54 PM
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The "easy" solution, as many have pointed out, is pool play. You do 16 groups of 4 (and I guess 4 groups of 4 women?) and you do a round robin with the 16 (4) winners advancing to a match play bracket. This removes some of the flukiness, for sure. If you shoot the best score three times in the absolute worst you would be 2-1 or 2-0-1, but likely 3-0. However, this would mean that 75% of the field is cut after three days, and I'm not sure how you meet PDGA payout minimums which require 40% of a field to be paid. Do the 75% now play an extra round to decide who finished 17th through 26th? Is there a loser's bracket to do this? If we played the semis and finals on the same day, this would be 6 days of golf (pool play days 1, 2 and 3, round of 16 day 4, round of 8 day 5 and semis and finals day 6). People are saying it’s too much golf now, well that format is more (although a pure 64 man match play event would be 5 days, which is a wash, but if everyone agrees this format is way better than pure match play, we are adding golf).
Pool play is the fairest way to make sure everyone get in a minimum amount of play. It used often in many other national championships.

And I enjoy it as long as it is not the crazy College World series with double elimination.
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Old 01-28-2021, 06:49 PM
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The only player who will have ANY reason to complain about this format is whoever is in 1st place after 4 rounds. They win in a traditional format. Here, they have to win one more round, but without the benefit of whatever lead (if any) they built up through 4 rounds. As mentioned, it is a reset.

Players 5 through 100 (or whatever the cap is) get exactly what they otherwise would have received. No issues for them.

Players 2 through 4 now have a chance at winning. They are ecstatic at the opportunity.

If one player has dominated, yes this may be slightly unfair to them, but it seems like we are truly heading toward more really great players at the top, and thus less likelihood of a Climo type domination of a championship. Even 4 of 5 of McBeth's world championships have been quite close--usually with Ricky.

I am looking forward to the format, but alas I am not one of the ones playing...

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