Are Innova FW and DD designed for Star?

[Three Putt]

Originally Posted by jakebake91

Molds have to be cut with a plastic in mind. All plastics shrink at different rates, and the mold needs to be cut accordingly to compensate.

But..

They sell discs from all the different plastics out of the same mold. So how could say the Destroyer mold have been made specifically to make Champion plastic discs when they sell them in Star, Pro, DX, etc.? They know when they mold a disc that it's going to be sold in a bunch of different plastics.

Basically this thread makes no sense to me. I've always assumed that they design molds to flight characteristics and then know enough about the plastics and molding process to be able to make tweaks as they need to in order to adapt to the plastics they are using. I mean, it's Innova. They have molded up a golf disc or two.

[dehaas]

Originally Posted by Three Putt

But..

They sell discs from all the different plastics out of the same mold. So how could say the Destroyer mold have been made specifically to make Champion plastic discs when they sell them in Star, Pro, DX, etc.? They know when they mold a disc that it's going to be sold in a bunch of different plastics.

Basically this thread makes no sense to me. I've always assumed that they design molds to flight characteristics and then know enough about the plastics and molding process to be able to make tweaks as they need to in order to adapt to the plastics they are using. I mean, it's Innova. They have molded up a golf disc or two.

I’ve always of it this way too?

[jakebake91]

Originally Posted by Three Putt

But..

They sell discs from all the different plastics out of the same mold. So how could say the Destroyer mold have been made specifically to make Champion plastic discs when they sell them in Star, Pro, DX, etc.? They know when they mold a disc that it's going to be sold in a bunch of different plastics.

Basically this thread makes no sense to me. I've always assumed that they design molds to flight characteristics and then know enough about the plastics and molding process to be able to make tweaks as they need to in order to adapt to the plastics they are using. I mean, it's Innova. They have molded up a golf disc or two.

But this also explains why a champ destroyer and a dx fly very different. Or, they can average out those shrink values too and try and make a happy middle ground.

[Three Putt]

Originally Posted by jakebake91

But this also explains why a champ destroyer and a dx fly very different. Or, they can average out those shrink values too and try and make a happy middle ground.

I don't know, man. I mean I think DX is a plastic they have always made, and it shrinks. Champ doesn't shrink, so when you look at a DX Destroyer and a Champ Destroyer, the Champ will always have a slightly larger diameter and the nose will be blunter due to that plastic packing out the mold vs. DX shrinking. I don't think Innova is really trying to do anything about that; it is what it is. The "middle ground" would be Star or Pro; all of the plastics mold up slightly differently and fly differently. I think we are just supposed to accept that and go on with our day.

It's like Leopards; I can take a max weight DX Leopard out of the box and turn it over. No beating it in or anything, you can just turn one. I have a 165g Champ Leopard in my bag and after throwing it all summer I still can't get it to turn. I have to beat the snot out of light Champ Leopards to get them to turn. They are essentially different discs IMO. The properties of the plastics make the discs turn out vastly differently. It is what it is.

[seedlings]

There is one mold. Different plastics are pressed into the one mold to produce champ, pro, dx, etc. There is not a champ destroyer mold, and a dx destroyer mold, and a pro destroyer mold, and a Star destroyer mold, and a Gstar destroyer mold.

Change my mind.

[jakebake91]

Originally Posted by seedlings

There is one mold. Different plastics are pressed into the one mold to produce champ, pro, dx, etc. There is not a champ destroyer mold, and a dx destroyer mold, and a pro destroyer mold, and a Star destroyer mold, and a Gstar destroyer mold.

Change my mind.

Does anyone think there are multiple molds? I don't think I've seen that argued.

[seedlings]

Originally Posted by jakebake91

Does anyone think there are multiple molds? I don't think I've seen that argued.

I must have misunderstood this:

Originally Posted by jakebake91

Molds have to be cut with a plastic in mind. All plastics shrink at different rates, and the mold needs to be cut accordingly to compensate.

[Countchunkula]

Originally Posted by jakebake91

Molds have to be cut with a plastic in mind. All plastics shrink at different rates, and the mold needs to be cut accordingly to compensate.

In the real world, yeah, you need to produce parts within acceptable tolerances, but these are frisbees. Ever see a hippie with a set of calipers?

[zontar]

one mold to rule then all.

[jakebake91]

Originally Posted by seedlings

I must have misunderstood this:

Right. What I had meant was that the shrinkage of the plastic has to be taken into account to make a mold correctly. With running multiple plastic types in one mold, they use some kind of average or set it for one type and deal with the rest. The shrink factors are also probably not *that* much different for most blends for it to matter immensely. Especially since, as someone pointed out, these are frisbees, not medical devices or rocket ship parts.