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Old 09-09-2019, 09:04 PM
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Old 09-10-2019, 11:52 AM
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I’d really like to see some of these touring pros run a tourney or two.

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Old 09-10-2019, 12:12 PM
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Just speaking as someone looking on from the outside it appears to me the following is true for this tourney:

Expectations > requirements

If that’s true, then this is an issue the PDGA needs to address and maybe some of the masters who are complaining need to step up a bit to improve the event quality in a more proactive roll rather than echoing McBeth on twitter which believe it or not really solves nothing. I’d be really interested in hearing the opinion and thoughts from the actual TD in response to the criticisms.

Of course take this post with a grain of salt...just some thoughts from an outsider looking in...

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Old 09-10-2019, 12:28 PM
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This was my 3rd Tim Selinske and while I had fun and loved the courses, even Newton, I did have some issues with how the tournament was ran. I have had leagues and C-tiers ran better than this tournament. First off, there was very little water on the courses. Thankfully it wasn't hot otherwise I might have DNF'd. How hard is it to have a couple of water jugs on the course? There was no caddybook or good explanation of how the courses should be played. Honestly this is unacceptable. We did receive 3 separate emails that had some description of how things were played, but there were several holes or incomplete explanation as to what to do in certain situations. For example, hole 14 at Maple Hill Gold, it said if you go OB go to the Drop Zone. Well OB wasn't well defined. Is it all water? We weren't sure of which drop zone to use. The MVP open played a drop zone from one of the other tees and then a drop zone on the road if you went OB again. What happens if you go OB from the last drop zone or if you putt and it goes out of bounds. The information we were provided was very limited did not say. Finally, our 2nd round was an 8am shotgun at Newton and then had to be at Maple Hill by 11:45am for another shotgun start. Steve Dodge said there would be a food vendor on site for lunch, there wasn't. After my first round and getting to Maple Hill, I had 25 minutes to get to my hole before the 2nd shotgun started. I kid you not there were people sprinting to get to their hole as the 2 minute warning was going off. I could pile on about cheap payout or player's pack, but I wouldn't want people to think I was a so-called elite and whining about it. The courses were phenomenal and the weather was perfect. We really dodged a big bullet with Hurricane Dorian missing us completely. I enjoyed myself and glad I went, but there was plenty of things that could have easily been improved and communicated.

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Old 09-10-2019, 01:17 PM
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I agree with everything eaeastwood said. In addition, as an am, it would have been nice to have spotters on the courses. My division (MA40) only had 2 spotters all week. One on 15 at Newton and one at 18 Maple Hill for one of our two rounds there.

Also on the Am side, this was a "trophy only" event where trophies were issued only for first place. I feel like at least top 3 should get something for the accomplishment of such a high finish at a PDGA major.

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Old 09-10-2019, 01:27 PM
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I think disc golf tournaments have reached their peak until someone finds a way to pay TDs and other workers.

Like it or not doesn't matter, time is money and running these events takes lots of time.

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Old 09-10-2019, 01:34 PM
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Let me guess.....no water on the practice rounds?

Jokes aside. Who does not bring water with them to a round? I get the luxury of provided water, but it that really a deal breaker. Entitled pros are ensuring that TD's have little interest in providing space at their events, for them. Both local and touring. It is just not worth the hassle and social media attacks.

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Old 09-10-2019, 01:53 PM
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Pssst. People don't care about the Masters fields. Now, that isn't to say they should play on substandard tee pads or dangerous conditions. But, like it or not, the Masters fields are about as valuable as an Am field to the public.

I am going to say to them what I say to Ams when they complain about not getting to play the toughest tees at any event. "You want to play the big boy tees, play with the big boys."

IMO as long as the course wasn't a pitch and putt, you don't really have a lot to complain about. As long as the payout met minimum standards, you can't complain about that. No one wants to film them because they get no views on YouTube, so can't complain about exposure.

Funny thing is that more and more players are aging into the Master's fields, but the numbers STILL say that few people want to actually watch them play.
I guess you can take my comments with an MP50 sized grain of salt, but I didn't read most of the negative comments as having much to do with coverage or Youtube views. Maybe I missed something. I attended Pro Masters Worlds this year and it was overall a great event, but it did not have the feel of a major, either. Maybe that is now an unreasonable expectation, but it wasn't because of Youtube views. It was because of lack of toilets for part of the week, missing tee signs, and playing from gravel tee pads. Still a great event. Maybe us old guys just need to get it through our heads that we don't deserve it.

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Old 09-10-2019, 01:57 PM
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This was my fourth US Masters and by far the most fun for me! The courses were great and I really liked Newton Hill for a weak player like myself. 501 was phenomenal and Maple Hill was also fantastic but I do wish we could have played Pyramids in addition to the others. Wormtown is a good brewery with great staff as well as Bucks and we saw a Santana cover band at Rock Bar. Livia’s was a great restaurant for breakfast and Mezcal’s was fantastic for Mexican. I understand the frustration for the following reasons but it did not affect my play because I came prepared with water, had great cards and got to see a lot of old friends and meet new ones.

Room for improvement,
- no formal player’s meeting for the first time ever for me (e.g., I witnessed some confusion from the Pros that played the week before on #3 Maple Hill golds which could have been addressed prior to the event).
- no caddy book.
- Four (4) hour lunch break Saturday for Ams to get to 501 from Maple Hill which made for a long day from 8am - 6:30pm for 6 hours of golf (I made the best of it and watched college football at a restaurant near 501).
- no spotters at Maple Hill for Ams specifically on #11 and #17 long pad over the Christmas trees (possibly due to the work from volunteers the week before which is understandable).
- no Porta Johns at Newton Hill by #1. You had to drive to #7 for a bathroom which several did prior to the rounds at Newton Hill but rumors are others had two deuces on #18 during their round (I assume this was on the PDGA because the TD at Newton Hill was awesome about going over rules, bathroom location, etc, prior to the round).
- the only water at Newton Hill was on #1 and I heard several others ran out of water during the round (I assume this was on the PDGA because the TD at Newton Hill was awesome about going over rules, bathroom location, etc, prior to the round).
No players meeting or caddy book? If that' accurate, it's a pretty serious indicator that some of the criticism is accurate! We get caddy books at a B tier!

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Old 09-10-2019, 01:58 PM
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Let me guess.....no water on the practice rounds?

Jokes aside. Who does not bring water with them to a round? I get the luxury of provided water, but it that really a deal breaker. Entitled pros are ensuring that TD's have little interest in providing space at their events, for them. Both local and touring. It is just not worth the hassle and social media attacks.
We had incompetent leadership for a several years in my local club and during one of the sanctioned tournaments, water was not available on the course. Although players had filled water bottles prior to the round, we had a player have a heat stroke on his 16th hole of the last round and was hospitalized for five days afterward.
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