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Old 01-02-2011, 01:25 AM
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After following the dye threads the last couple months, I've decided to give it a shot. You all make it seem and look so easy. I've had 4 epic, EPIC failures so far. My first dye I got way too exited and bought some **** vinyl from Walmart and used black powder rit mixed with water. I got the water almost steaming, let it cool for a few minutes then dipped my disc. The vinyl completely peeled off while it was dipped. The second I did I just used warm water and the liquid black dye, same result, peeled like crazy. I came across the free vinyl thread and got 2 big rolls last week, the controltac and one other one, can't remember it at the moment. I tried my 3rd with the controltac, but this time I tried the acetone/powder mix and brushed the paste on. Different technique, same result in peeling vinyl. The 4th one I tried tonight with the other free 3M stuff and tried mixing some hot water with powder to a pasty-like substance. I let it set for one hour, and when I rinsed it off, it didn't even stick to the yellow champion Starfire I was attempting to dye. I then made an acetone/rit paste and immediately it started leaking under just about every edge. I'm getting very frustrated, not to mention a bag of black discs I will be toting around at the rate I'm going. I made sure every air bubble was out, I've smoothed out all edges with the end of my exacto, tried the blow dry technique. I just can't get a decent dye. Am I just an idiot, or do other people have problems as well?? Is the acetone mix causing my vinyl to peel?? Some of you make it sound like its so easy, and maybe it is. But for me I've been struggling bad. I don't want to give up, but I don't want anymore black discs either. I've got a picture of my 4th dye, too embarassed to post it though. Anyone care to chime in and let me know what I'm doing wrong......PLEASE????
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Old 01-02-2011, 01:49 AM
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Press the vinyl on better. I have been using the sh***y walmart contact paper since I started never had it peel off.
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Old 01-02-2011, 01:53 AM
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theres no reason to heat the dye that much. i heat mine until its warm to the touch. also could be the crappy vinyl. get some oracal 651. my first 5 dyes are in my gallery...nothing GREAT but no major problems.
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Old 01-02-2011, 02:55 AM
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Yes, acetone will eat through vinyl/contact paper and cause major bleeds. Painting it on as a paste can be done, but timing and mixture is absolutely critical. The first method you tried (dipping in warm RIT/water mix) is definitely the way to go.

When you applied the vinyl, did you get it smooth on the first application? If you pull it up at all, a lot of the stickiness goes away. Also, if you're cleaning the disc before applying the wrap (always a good idea), make sure you've got all the cleaner rinsed off and the disc is totally dry.

It sounds like you had the vinyl pressed ok for the dip method on the later attempts...I'd go back to that if you're willing to go for a 5th. Like j0atz said, warm, not hot. Personnally, I reuse dye mixes as long as possible, but the when I first mix them, I bring the water to a near boil to get it "activated", then cool it down and bring it back to slightly warm.
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Old 01-02-2011, 02:57 AM
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Try using liquid rit with water no acetone. Sounds like your water is to hot maybe. I put the stove on 1-2 heat and I use the cheap walmart vinyl and have never had any issues.
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Wow, so it is just me....lol. I'm going to give it another shot, I got tons of vinyl and a bag of discs I never throw, its just getting frustrated. I've gotten more patient and meticulous with each dye, making sure its completely smooth and not pulling it back at all, but I can't even get a simple SF logo clean. I'm thinking no acetone. The one I did tonight seemed like it was good, until I added the acetone, then it went to crap quick!! Thanks for the helpful information. Hopefully I can get one to come out soon, or someone can have all my vinyl!!
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Yeah. Be sure to use something to get all air bubbles from the edges out. I use the acetone then be sure to wash the whole disc with dish soap. Then dry entirely before application. Also when your applying the vinyl to the disc make sure your tape holding the pieces together isn't too sticky it it can pry your vinyl up making bleeding a higher possibility.
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I knew a guy once who was so fat he couldnt see his dingy, so he went to a Dr. The Dr. told him to diet. The guy asked, What color?

Dont give up man. Good luck.
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Old 01-02-2011, 05:23 AM
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I've only used the cheap stuff and I've had it in pretty hot, too where there is steam coming off the water. It's never peeled up like that. I've cleaned off the stamps with acetone but I've never mixed it in with the dye. I don't really understand why people do that. What the benefit?
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Yes, acetone will eat through vinyl/contact paper and cause major bleeds. Painting it on as a paste can be done, but timing and mixture is absolutely critical. The first method you tried (dipping in warm RIT/water mix) is definitely the way to go.

When you applied the vinyl, did you get it smooth on the first application? If you pull it up at all, a lot of the stickiness goes away. Also, if you're cleaning the disc before applying the wrap (always a good idea), make sure you've got all the cleaner rinsed off and the disc is totally dry.

It sounds like you had the vinyl pressed ok for the dip method on the later attempts...I'd go back to that if you're willing to go for a 5th. Like j0atz said, warm, not hot. Personnally, I reuse dye mixes as long as possible, but the when I first mix them, I bring the water to a near boil to get it "activated", then cool it down and bring it back to slightly warm.
Acetone dose not eat through vinyl. But it will dissolve the adhesive . The trick here is to not let it sit to long. If your using acetone and dye it adsorbs fast. Also make sure the vinyl is press down well .
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