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Old 04-16-2021, 08:46 AM
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Definitely needs to get pics of all the holes and maybe even a course map up so that some of the experts here can give you a full and informed critique. The pics so far seem like you have designed a fun and challenging course with not a lot of land to do it with.
Will do. I don't have photos of all the holes yet. I have to do drone flythroughs anyway so I can put QR codes on the course signs so I'll probably post those once they are done.
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Old 04-17-2021, 02:01 AM
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Course looks good to me. Pros should be able to win not only with distance, but also as Uli said once, put any Pro within 200' of a basket and they should get up and down every single time.
I would agree with everyone else, any mando should be specifically for safety purposes, or if an unintentional line has opened up over time, generally less are better, and if the pad is protected with a net or something I wouldn't think that one mando was necessary.
Anyway looks like a super fun course from the pics!
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Old 04-18-2021, 08:30 PM
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Definitely needs to get pics of all the holes . . .
They are now posted on the course page. I had some issues with my drone, so the flythroughs will have to wait.

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Old 04-19-2021, 05:54 PM
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Confused...
If you miss the Mando to the right of the arrow, you go to the drop zone in the picture?
But you still have to go around the Mando (arrow)?
Shouldn't the drop zone be to the left of the Arrow (Mando) to force the correct throw?
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Old 04-19-2021, 06:10 PM
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This is what I have been thinking about the most after the tournament - whether the holes are fair and whether the stats back that up. I'm generally happy with the spread on most holes except 5 where all the MPO scoring spread was basically non-existant (the hole I am thinking about shortening). As to birdies, one hole really stood out and that is hole 7. Out of 54 plays by MPO, MP50 (there were no MP40 players) and MA, there were only 3 birdies, all from the MA players. There were 24 pars and 23 bogies. It averaged 3.64 throws with a MAD of 0.77. Here's a pic of the hole:



It's 350ft exactly. Everything to the left of the near, top edge of the ditch is OB. There is OB behind the basket as well. It played as the third most difficult hole on the course. It is fairly easy to avoid OB on this hole if played conservatively. All of the OB throws were to the left, with no one overthrowing and reaching the OB behind the basket. No one missed the mando. I'm okay with the dearth of birdies and several players I talked to thought this was the best hole on the course. But there's no overlooking the fact that it gave up only about 6% birdies when I did not think it would play so difficult. I do however think that the number of bogies is an encouraging sign that the hole is getting players to be aggressive and go for the birdie. The two mistakes are either trying to flex a disc that is too overstable and fades early or throwing something too understable that turns, burns and cut rolls OB.

There are two holes that are more difficult, one a par 4 that only gave up 1 birdie out of 54 plays (MPO, MP50 and MA) and played at .7 throws above par. It is probably just too difficult and may require a bit of clearing. On the other hand, it had a good spread of scores (MAD 0.71) with half of the plays scoring par and no one really bitching about the difficulty.
It's OK to have a difficult hole.
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It's OK to have a difficult hole.
I previously sent it to Doofenshmirtz, but I did a blue-level target group (950-rating average) analysis for his event, and this particular hole came out at a mean of 3.43, with only 3.3% (one score) birdies, but with a fairly healthy scoring spread width of 2.5270 (due to 40% 4's). I was curious as to the percentage of penalties the hole handed out, though. It seems like tracking this percentage could be helpful in determining if the hole is playing fairly or not. Due to a very small sample size, the correlation data wasn't statistically significant, however the hole came out with a small positive (i.e. inverse) correlation with player rating (i.e. higher-rated players performed worse on the hole than lower-rated ones did), which may indicate excessive randomness of scores. "Difficult" holes, on their own, though, I agree can 'work' fine.

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Old 04-19-2021, 06:27 PM
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I previously sent it to Doofenshmirtz, but I did a blue-level target group (950-rating average) analysis for his event, and this particular hole came out at a mean of 3.43, with only 3.3% (one player/round) birdies, but with a fairly healthy scoring spread width of 2.5270 (due to 40% 4's). I was curious as to the percentage of penalties the hole handed out, though. It seems like tracking this percentage could be helpful in determining if the hole is playing fairly or not. Due to a very small sample size, the correlation data wasn't statistically significant, however the hole came out with a small positive (i.e. inverse) correlation with player rating (i.e. higher-rated players performed worse on the hole than lower-rated ones did), which may indicate excessive randomness of scores. "Difficult" holes, on their own, though, I agree can 'work' fine.
Well, we could introduce the "equity" of holes but I would rather not.
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I previously sent it to Doofenshmirtz, but I did a blue-level target group (950-rating average) analysis for his event, and this particular hole came out at a mean of 3.43, with only 3.3% (one score) birdies, but with a fairly healthy scoring spread width of 2.5270 (due to 40% 4's). I was curious as to the percentage of penalties the hole handed out, though. It seems like tracking this percentage could be helpful in determining if the hole is playing fairly or not. Due to a very small sample size, the correlation data wasn't statistically significant, however the hole came out with a small positive (i.e. inverse) correlation with player rating (i.e. higher-rated players performed worse on the hole than lower-rated ones did), which may indicate excessive randomness of scores. "Difficult" holes, on their own, though, I agree can 'work' fine.
Wait, I thought this was a par 4, with only one birdie. How can that average only 3.43?
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Wait, I thought this was a par 4, with only one birdie. How can that average only 3.43?
I believe the par 4's were holes 13 and 14 (i.e. not hole 7 being discussed).
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Confused...
If you miss the Mando to the right of the arrow, you go to the drop zone in the picture?
But you still have to go around the Mando (arrow)?
Shouldn't the drop zone be to the left of the Arrow (Mando) to force the correct throw?
There's no safe place to stand to the left of the Mando.
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