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Old 01-15-2018, 11:07 AM
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Given the way the Bounty-Gate Saints beat the hell out of Brett Farve in the 2009 NFC Championship game, last night's jaw dropping win over the Saints seems somewhat fitting,

So I can tell you... tears are salty. I'm just glad it was the Saints' season ending on that salty note, instead of ours.
I didn't cry at all---just a sense of abject fatalism, 'cause the Saints have been there so many times before. And as a Brett Favre fan (Southern Miss!), I saw a certain irony in it too.
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Old 01-15-2018, 11:31 AM
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True. Though I'll note that there are 50-100 disc golf courses on ball golf courses---but they're not highly regarded by many people. A good indication that manicured landscape and amenities such as carts, concessions, and the rest aren't enough alone, at least not to many disc golfers.
DGCR has revealed 74 ball golf/disc golf courses. Most of which seem to be in California.
I needed to know the exact number. OCD, can't help it. On top of that doesn't seem these courses get reviewed a lot, I see the criteria to 5+ reviews and only got 21.

Treeplant, I think I found the list your looking for??
https://www.dgcoursereview.com/brows...=1&paytoplay=1
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Old 01-15-2018, 11:50 AM
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Well. I did not expect THAT TO HAPPEN.
Just about unbelievable. Great game though. Stay salty my friends!

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Old 01-15-2018, 12:00 PM
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DGCR has revealed 74 ball golf/disc golf courses. Most of which seem to be in California.
I needed to know the exact number. OCD, can't help it. On top of that doesn't seem these courses get reviewed a lot, I see the criteria to 5+ reviews and only got 21.

Treeplant, I think I found the list your looking for??
https://www.dgcoursereview.com/brows...=1&paytoplay=1
A couple of years back Steve West (I think) was compiling a list of them, in a forum where people were submitting info to existing ones, as well as ones that had once been dual courses. I couldn't remember the exact number. It's a big thread drift as to whether golf courses are well-suited---length & too much open space---but few get top ratings, and in discussions of great courses or course recommendations, you almost never see a disc-golf-on-a-golf-course touted.

Of course we all have our own preferences, and there are a few disc golfers who love them.
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Old 01-15-2018, 12:25 PM
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To the OP, when going to a destination course I look for the overall experience. While the course layout and the scenery/surroundings factor into this, the onsite lodging to accommodate a group of guys is more important. The Coral House at Selah fits the bill perfectly. The golf carts make a great addition to the overall experience. Don't really need the "best" course. Selah is really nice and fits the bill and having two are a bonus.

Lately we have been making our trip to Flat Creek which is attached to a winery. Single really nice course. If drive time were equal, I would pick Selah to get the golf carts. But since Flat Creek is half the distance to my house, it wins out.
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Old 01-15-2018, 01:58 PM
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You'll be overwhelmed and underwhelmed when travelling around to play highly rated courses. A lot of it has to do with timing (weather, the "it" moment, etc). I do agree that Selah wasn't the greatest thing ever...but homer reviewing is real (VisionQuest, I'm looking at you). At the end of the day, it's all personal preference. I didn't love Idlewild. I thought Beaver Ranch was a bit overrated. I found Flip City to be absolutely amazing. The list goes on, but it's just my list.

Personally, I preferred Twist the most of the four local courses, even with cowpies everywhere.

Mostly, trying to expect any disc golf course to live up to ball golf standards is a fool's errand. The money just isn't there.
I agree about the "IT" moment. That was my first visit to Mountain Lake DGC in Pembroke, VA. Drove up the mountain through the fog. Played front 9 with fog still hanging about 10' above the ground, course to ourselves, it was magical. So much that we drove (5 hours each way) a different group of friends back the next week. Second visit was great but not the "IT" moment.

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Old 01-15-2018, 02:54 PM
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Your basic point is a no-brainer, but as someone who has experience in the industry, I take exception to your characterization of it overall. Sure it feels good to signal your virtue, but to me, it sounds as if you really don't know what goes on in the golf industry with regards to environmental issues. Golf is a big industry, and as such, superintendants have strict constraints, especially fiscal, that make efficiency a requirement for continued employment and that's just to start, exceptional situations not withstanding.

Take the Chesapeake Bay's pollution issues for example, the overwhelming amount of pollution there comes from ignorant homeowners, not professional agronomists or farmers. My suggestion would be to do some more homework & gain some more experience prior to popping off.

Moreover, to characterize the disc golf community and its environmental practices as somehow more worthy or preferable merely because of scale is also a canard. Most of the disc golfers I've met and played with over many years can't even identify the most common tree species in their area, let alone possess a 4-year degree in agronomy - if you believe in the value of that sort of thing.

As for the OP's question, it's a good one. At this point for me, a 'destination course' is just an excuse to get out of town for a while, but I look for how close a course comes to being a 'complete package' with a strong emphasis on the formal elements...
Seems like a touched a nerve. It's fair to say that I overstated my claims a little bit (mostly for effect). Your points about fiscal pressures and irresponsible homeowners are likely accurate, but they don't really get at the point I wanted to make which is that the manicured look of golf courses may generate some environmental harm and that creating more manicured DG courses may have the same effect. That was it really, and I agree with your point that most DGers are not environmentally focused.

Depending on all kinds of factors, it's not fair to say that the manicured course is always more environmentally damaging than the more natural course. Purposeful design that includes an aesthetic dimension might respond to an erosion and water flow issue existing in a more natural course, for example, or leaving a course purposefully "less manicured" doesn't mean it's surely better for the environment (it just might lead to that conclusion given that it looks "more natural").

The real issue to me is the fetishization of the "manicured" look. Golf course upkeep is (among other purposes) directed toward game play and appearance. Golf courses needs manicured fairways and greens in way disc golf does not. So, if the manicuring is mostly intended to "catch the eye" of people who care about such things, then so be it. It's not my preference, but I'm not a course owner, or an influential member of the DG community, or a big pockets sponsor.
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Old 01-15-2018, 03:10 PM
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IDGC, Nevin, Rollin’ Ridge, Beaver Ranch, Blue Ribbon Pines and Tyler State Park are all worth the hype for Golf but only Beaver Ranch (Red Rocks!) and Nevin have nightlife, arts, etc. close by. The only course I have played that was overhyped and under delivered for the hype was Winter Park in Wisconsin. The course was good but needed maintenance and was ranked 25th at the time I played it. The unfortunate part of dg is course developers and owners either do not like nice golf resorts, have never visited nice golf properties or a PGA Tour event and/or do not have the resources to develop a dg resort similar to golf resorts.

Yes, Winter Park in Wisconsin and Water Works in Kansas City are the two most overrated courses in my opinion.

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Old 01-15-2018, 03:38 PM
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. . . Take the Chesapeake Bay's pollution issues for example, the overwhelming amount of pollution there comes from ignorant homeowners, not professional agronomists or farmers. My suggestion would be to do some more homework & gain some more experience prior to popping off. . . .
I have not independently reviewed this data but according to the State of Maryland the major Chesapeake Bay pollutants (nitrogen, phosphorus, and sediment) come from the following sources:

Pollutant............Farms....Wastewater......Stor mwater.....Septic....Forests
Nitrogen.............36.6............25.5......... ...20.3...............6.3........11.4
Phosphorus.........52.8............20.4........... .21.6................0...........5.2
Sediment............49.7.............0.8.......... ...39.3................0.........10.2

I would assume that contributions from "ignorant homeowners" would be included in the storm water and septic categories. Certainly not "the overwhelming amount" either way, although results may be different if you had different pollutants in mind.

Source: http://baystat.maryland.gov/causes-of-the-problems-map/

To answer the OP's question, the course layout and the beauty of the course itself is what makes a destination for me.
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our "best course"
Who's best course? Harmony Bends owns the top spot now

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