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Old 10-09-2018, 09:43 PM
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Anyways, now that we've gotten that fruitless calculating debate out of the way...

Back to the substance of the thread...

Perhaps MTL could enlighten us abut the disciplinary process and unavoidable delays in dealing with a player who admitted turning in a cardmate's intentionally altered score - without supplying personal details, of course.
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Old 10-10-2018, 09:20 AM
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Perhaps MTL could enlighten us abut the disciplinary process and unavoidable delays in dealing with a player who admitted turning in a cardmate's intentionally altered score - without supplying personal details, of course.
It would be interesting to know what, if any delays, affect this sort of thing. The "current disciplinary actions" document has been updated twice since that tournament took place. It seems like there would be no need to update it if the disciplinary committee had not had the opportunity to meet to discuss pending matters. If they have, then what could be the delay in a case where the player admitted cheating?
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Old 02-27-2019, 12:08 PM
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I thought that I would update this now that the PDGA has taken action. The penalty issued was a suspension of less than a year. It is my understanding that the cheater has a lawyer and will be appealing this "harsh" penalty.
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Old 02-27-2019, 01:12 PM
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I just saw this thread for the first time.

There is no "statue of limitations" on investigation of discipline issues, so to speak. The process - linked below - only refers to the timing in two situations. When a request has to be submitted (30 days of incident) and when someone can appeal (30 days of decision).

As always, can't confirm or deny I know about the case referenced here nor can I confirm or deny that I understand all of the comments, but it's worth showing the document of the process.

https://www.pdga.com/files/PDGA%20Di...2009232014.pdf
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I thought that I would update this now that the PDGA has taken action. The penalty issued was a suspension of less than a year. It is my understanding that the cheater has a lawyer and will be appealing this "harsh" penalty.
A lawyer...really? Lolz
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Old 02-28-2019, 07:07 AM
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A lawyer...really? Lolz
Not the first time discipline has been appealed using a lawyer. Probably won't be the last. Would love to be a fly on the wall to hear the arguments being made.

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a lawyer to throw plastic in the woods. Hmmm.....I'm really TRYING not to be a misanthrope lately......
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So use a computer spreadsheet and let it do the math, which makes the individual hole being correct the critical component, not everyone being fatigued mentally and physically, including all the the staff. Human error can be minimal, and the computer input is more time efficient.
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Everyone now a days have a calculator handy for adding up their own scores after a round. If you think that players being fatigued after the round can cause errors in totaling, the obviously that too can happen for the TD, even if he isn't playing, but having to check and double check 90 players scores. Even if you enter them into a spreadsheet, you still need to check for typing errors. In stead of having tournament staff/TD doing one of at least two checks of the scorecard, it really isn't that much of an ask to have a player total and check his own. If the player isn't bothered enough about his own score being correct, why on earth should anybody else?
Count me in the camp of, "if we're going to suggest the utilization of technology..." -- spreadsheets, computers, calculators, etc. -- "...then the use of the app, UDisc or similar, is the absolute best technologically best option."
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Old 03-03-2019, 08:42 PM
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Count me in the camp of, "if we're going to suggest the utilization of technology..." -- spreadsheets, computers, calculators, etc. -- "...then the use of the app, UDisc or similar, is the absolute best technologically best option."
Off topic sort of, is there anything that says a player can't use uDisc to keep track of score in addition to the card? I always thought about doing that just to keep track of the tee order.
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Off topic sort of, is there anything that says a player can't use uDisc to keep track of score in addition to the card? I always thought about doing that just to keep track of the tee order.
I've done that often. It's a great idea. At the end of the round we then compare the electronic to the paper to make sure there are no mistakes.
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