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Old 10-17-2018, 08:35 PM
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It also doesn't make business sense to throw money at a portion of their business that doesn't make as much money.
Exactly... they'd be robbing Peter to pay Paul. See what I did there?
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Old 10-17-2018, 08:41 PM
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Maybe I am very wrong. I do think that ultimate is a bigger source of profit than disc golf. Definitely not a giant source of profit. I have a hard time believing this rumor is in any way true, as I said. I just don't think it is true that Innova would be able to pay him a large amount more than Discraft could.
No way is ultimate a larger overall $ source than disc golf as far as moving plastic. (I will agree it's a bigger metric for spectator sales, etc.) Think of the metrics....more people play the sport, but how many discs per person is there? Disc golf moves a ton of plastic. I'm guessing the avg casual player has at least 5 discs, weekend warriors 10+, adv to pro 15-20 discs. So I don't believe Discraft's Ultimate sales are larger than their disc golf sales. Now...return on investment, I will agree it's a bigger percentage, but not in total profits taken in.
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Old 10-17-2018, 08:46 PM
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No way is ultimate a larger overall $ source than disc golf as far as moving plastic. (I will agree it's a bigger metric for spectator sales, etc.) Think of the metrics....more people play the sport, but how many discs per person is there? Disc golf moves a ton of plastic. I'm guessing the avg casual player has at least 5 discs, weekend warriors 10+, adv to pro 15-20 discs. So I don't believe Discraft's Ultimate sales are larger than their disc golf sales. Now...return on investment, I will agree it's a bigger percentage, but not in total profits taken in.
What if there are 100x more ultimate players than disc golfers?
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Old 10-17-2018, 08:50 PM
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Disc golf moves a ton of plastic. I'm guessing the avg casual player has at least 5 discs, weekend warriors 10+, adv to pro 15-20 discs.
I consider myself a weekend warrior and I currently have 100+ discs in the house.

A very conservative estimate would be that I've probably purchased and sold another 200 in the last 15 years.

And probably lost 20 in the same amount of time.

I feel comfortable with an estimate of 300 discs purchased new from a retailer.

I'm probably not the average disc buyer but I'm not alone. Meanwhile I still own the same ultimate disc I have since it was passed down from my sister's college days.

If more 10x more people pick up playing disc golf we're going to need more recycling efforts.
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Old 10-17-2018, 08:55 PM
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What if there are 100x more ultimate players than disc golfers?
Ultiworld reported that there were 5 million people who played ultimate in 2011. https://ultiworld.com/2016/12/20/new...y-among-males/
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Old 10-17-2018, 09:20 PM
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Also from what I have been told by a long time Discraft sponsored player/rep, sanctioned Ultimate games require a new disc each game.

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Old 10-17-2018, 09:30 PM
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This confuses me. I could use some education here. In the game of ultimate, there's one disc in play for both teams, right? How many discs can they sell? I suppose every player has a small stack of discs for throwing practice or the like, but can this compare to the hoarding habits of disc golfers?
Teams have lots of discs for practice, and all the players own at least one. All the tournaments usually get special stamped discs for the tourneys. But the biggest difference I think it just how easily ultimate discs get warped. I know disc golf discs can crack and break sometimes, but in a comparative amount of time I've seen a lot more broken Ultimate discs. Discs used for real games were always pretty fresh and most of our practice discs weren't more than a season or two old.

Also you might throw the same disc 18 times in a round, but a lot of discs are sharing the load. That one disc in a ultimate game is getting a lot of abuse.
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Old 10-17-2018, 09:53 PM
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Well the McBeth FB thread got deleted, so now you know it's legit.

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Also from what I have been told by a long time Discraft sponsored player/rep, sanctioned Ultimate games require a new disc each game.

Even Collegiate, Weekly Leagues or just Casual dudes like to play with a new disc every game.

Those things can fly differently after one decent spike.
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Old 10-17-2018, 10:01 PM
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Well the McBeth FB thread got deleted, so now you know it's legit.
This thread has had my attention a lot today because I just want it to be true. Discraft is my favorite brand but it's got two big flaws.

1. No firm putting plastic option. Like McPro.
2. No OS fairway (speed 6/7). Like a Teebird.

If they managed to get Paul, he would force them to make both of those things happen.

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