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Hey Howl, where is Discraft on this? I haven't seen a link here. Curious to see what they've put out. Thanks!
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Old 10-31-2018, 03:55 PM
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Something I hope they learn from. Pros aren't going to want to rep a cheap bag. Which is good because neither do I. Pro golfers carry very high end bags with their sponsor stitched on.

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Trilogy team members are required to rep Zuca and/or Ogio.
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Old 10-31-2018, 04:00 PM
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If Paul leaves Innova his game will start sucking?
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Old 10-31-2018, 04:04 PM
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Preach!

In other news: I'm jumping on the SonicGuy trollface bandwagon.

McBeth has clearly peaked. We won't see any more wins from that guy.
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Trilogy team members are required to rep Zuca and/or Ogio.
Trilogy team members ain't Paul McBeth.

Backend contract obligations to those companies and that's fine but it's a symptom of a problem in the sport due to it's small size.

Pros need money to tour and therefor need money to come from sponsorships. Brands need money to offer to pros beyond what they can produce with their own sales. Brands need companies to make items for their own merchandise too. Brands leverage pros as tagalong advertising to said companies. It's the most efficient use of resources for all parties.

Paul was on the right track getting Addias in the mix directly. I expect another deal like this to be signed in 2019 for him.

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If Paul leaves Innova his game will start sucking?
No, he is too skilled for that. There may be an adjustment period, but that will probably be cleaned up over the off season
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Old 10-31-2018, 04:05 PM
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I hear that Paul is going with a mixed bag because of the putter he wants.

Quest Turbo Putt!

He's going to get it re-approved. Now that he's no longer with Innova is not a cheater disc anymore!

I predict that he'll be nailing putts from outside circle 2, standstill, no longer will he have to worry about jump-putt foot faults! In fact that will be the tag line - Putt like me and eliminate jump-putt foot faults and Monday morning quarterbacks over the interwebs!
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You're going to sell plastic based on Paul's previous performance, period.
I really don't think it works like this, or maybe I just HOPE it doesn't work like this.

Disc golf discs are not a commodity, they have unique characteristics that make them more or less suited for individual players. There is no fashion aspect, nobody is showing off their sweet new McBeth destroyer like they would a pair of Jordans.

But if course the millennial brain is a damaged and confusing thing. Maybe they actually do purchase discs like a fashion accessory.
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No, he is too skilled for that. There may be an adjustment period, but that will probably be cleaned up over the off season
Feldberg wants your optimism.

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I'm still amazed at this notion that Paul's name on Discraft discs is going to generate oodles of sales. Can I get some guesses?

I understand that his name is going to sell more discs, but I just don't see how it works. Enlighten me.

Let's assume that the relative numbers $8 mm vs $52 mm relate to actual disc sales. That means Innova is moving six discs for every one of Discraft's, generally speaking. Are we expecting that Discraft numbers are going up? Are those new sales, or are they cannibalized sales, are they stealing from Innova or some other manufacturer? Is the expectation that Discraft is gonna catch Innova in sales? Or will it be something more modest? Are folks gonna just buy new discs, and a lot of them, based on this move? If you make DiscPaul discs are you gonna canniblalize other Discraft sales, or are you gonna get all new customers? What conversion rate does Discraft expect? How many from Tri, how many from Innova?

Innova folks, how many of you are following Paul? How many of you are converting your bag? How many of you are going to go out of your way to try one of these discs? How many would take one if given one and if it flew good, would move an Innova product that flew the same, out of your bag?

Discraft fans, are you expecting something dynamically new? Something no one has ever seen before, longer, better?

BTW - I often think Sonic is overboard, but I think he's thinkin' a lot clearer than some are.
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