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Old 12-11-2018, 12:47 AM
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I think it's an Aviar

I used to throw them way back but that means nothing cuz what I knew then v now is much different

I'm not sure what hole you were looking to fill.

If you want an Aviar but in...ummm I'm gonna say "better" plastic assuming you hand pick the ones you like for grip etc...then maybe this would be the way to go

decent glide
quite neutral but not understable

I don't think as deep as a Wiz as there is no bead
So then like a Classic Grid aviar then, as regular Aviar have a small bead and BB models.
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Old 12-11-2018, 10:51 AM
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So did the "dinged up Wizard" thread take off?
I can't get a decent picture of one. My oldest Wizards are actually in great shape, they either were just driving putters that never got all that beat up or there was something weird about them and I never threw them. The oldest one that actually looks like somebody used it a lot has a tournament stamp from 2010; it's practically new.

The worst looking Wizard I own actually is new. I threw it one day. The University here has an experimental mine and they set up an event where a lot of the holes were in the mine and the rest were out in the woods and quarry around the mine. You got a glow Wizard and were supposed to throw that one disc all day. Gateway S plastic is great, but it's no match for a mine wall and a gravel pit. The disc I got had an SSS feel to it, kinda soft for my liking so I've never bagged it. It looks like it was bagged for years, though.

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Old 12-11-2018, 02:16 PM
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So then like a Classic Grid aviar then, as regular Aviar have a small bead and BB models.
I'm not sure how long ago I posted what you quoted from me but in response to what you said

I'm not sure that "regular" Aviars have a small bead.

If the P&A is the "regular" and assuming that McBeth used P&A's for his McPro models I do not believe that they had a bead.

I don't know that the Classic Aviar matches to the Warlock as much as the P&A does

the Classic is 2,3,0,0
the P&A is 2,3,0,2

The P&A numbers probably match the Warlock better than the Classic
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Old 12-11-2018, 02:24 PM
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Lol, the beadles Aviar wing replaced the small bead P&A like what, a decade ago? Probably longer than that.

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1-10-2012. It's the second post in this thread in response to booter's initial question about them.

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Old 12-11-2018, 02:43 PM
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I'm not sure how long ago I posted what you quoted from me but in response to what you said



I'm not sure that "regular" Aviars have a small bead.



If the P&A is the "regular" and assuming that McBeth used P&A's for his McPro models I do not believe that they had a bead.



I don't know that the Classic Aviar matches to the Warlock as much as the P&A does



the Classic is 2,3,0,0

the P&A is 2,3,0,2



The P&A numbers probably match the Warlock better than the Classic


Neither the Aviar P&A nor the Classic have a bead currently. Both are nearly indistinguishable from the Warlock profile.

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Old 12-11-2018, 03:27 PM
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I like the Warlock - but the one thing that didn't jive well is that the bottom of the disc comes to a POINT and its not the most comfortable. Plastic options are fine, flight is stable straight - but that point sometimes got caught in my palm - When the disc wears in it rounds out a little it feels fine - but I couldn't do it with that pointy bottom -
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Old 12-11-2018, 05:39 PM
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I like the Warlock - but the one thing that didn't jive well is that the bottom of the disc comes to a POINT and its not the most comfortable. Plastic options are fine, flight is stable straight - but that point sometimes got caught in my palm - When the disc wears in it rounds out a little it feels fine - but I couldn't do it with that pointy bottom -
Are you sure that wasn't a flashing issue? I wouldn't say they come to a point any more than a beadless Aviar does. I'd agree that they are not comfortable if the flashing isn't taken care of there.

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Old 12-12-2018, 11:18 AM
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Are you sure that wasn't a flashing issue? I wouldn't say they come to a point any more than a beadless Aviar does. I'd agree that they are not comfortable if the flashing isn't taken care of there.
That could be - of the ones I've held / used that was an issue - but im sure it could have been that run. I have one that is kinda worn and it feels great - I went to get another and all of them at that time felt awful. haha - so yeah, just a bad luck experience
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Old 12-12-2018, 11:51 AM
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My experience:
Warlock is more OS than a DX P&A is more OS than a classic aviar.
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Old 12-12-2018, 08:28 PM
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My experience:
Warlock is more OS than a DX P&A is more OS than a classic aviar.
I primarily putt with the warlock, having switched from Aviars, and I’d have to agree. My problem with the aviar was that it was a touch too floaty in heavy wind, and the plastic, especially on stiffer dx (classic), was way too slick when it got dusty. The hand feel is the same on warlocks, and they come in a better range of plastics. Once I switched I found I like how they range better than the aviars, precisely because they are a bit more stable, so for me its an added bonus. Off the tee they’re all just straight stable, if you throw them badly either is liable to turn and burn, or fade early.
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