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Longevity is important in this discussion. Winning worlds / USDGCs etc is very much important, but it's really only a barometer of how that person played that week. Saying that, it's silly to ignore those titles. For example, I don't automatically list Jenkins in my top 10 because he won a worlds and I don't automatically exclude Anthon because he hasn't won a major. But I would put Jenkins ahead of Anthon simply because of that title.

Saying that....
Males:
1. Climo
2. McBeth
3. Schultz
4. Doss
5. Feldberg
6. Wysocki
7. Russell
8. Greenwell
9. Rico
10. Voakes

I think eventually Eagle will jump into this list. But he's not there yet.

There is also a massive fall off after Schultz and another massive fall off after Russell. The top 7 are so clear to me it wasn't even hard to think of who those 7 were.

Females:
1. King
2. Korver
3. Peirce
4. Jenkins
5. Reading
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Old 12-14-2018, 04:37 PM
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You are correct, but I only have the knowledge and experience that I have. I would have watched all the old videos of less recent players, and I have watched what is available, but there just isnt nearly as much out there.
Then revise the thread title to the "Top 5/10 [your Era] Greats List"
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Old 12-14-2018, 04:45 PM
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Part of me thinks that Climo, Schultz, Feldberg should get dinged slightly if not more for not have the forehand skill of todays players. You may now commence with the flaming.
Rad. As in, James Conrad.

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Old 12-14-2018, 05:33 PM
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There is also a massive fall off after Schultz and another massive fall off after Russell. The top 7 are so clear to me it wasn't even hard to think of who those 7 were.
Agreed on all counts.
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2. Korver
3. Peirce
4. Jenkins
5. Reading
I would agree with this as well although might put Juliana on top.
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Old 12-14-2018, 05:40 PM
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I would agree with this as well although might put Juliana on top.
If we are talking about who was a better player
It’s clearly JK by a mile. Her best was the best we have ever seen. Paige is the only close on that discussiion. not Elaine.

However as I stated when we are talking about best of all time I think longevity is very important and one of the most important aspects of this. The fact that Elaine is in her 50a and is on the second tier of women world wide currently is mind boggling.

Everyone always wants to debate Climo or McBeth But the real debate in disc golf is Korver or King. And it could easily in 10 years be Korver King or Pierce.

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Old 12-15-2018, 12:05 AM
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Then revise the thread title to the "Top 5/10 [your Era] Greats List"
Or I could leave it as it is since its generating the conversation and exchange of information I was hoping for. I enjoy hearing the perspectives of others and finding out where I may be shortsighted or mistaken. Then I can understand things better =)
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Given what seems to be something said be many of today's touring pros about the level of competition increasing of the last several years to a very high level...How many x's does McBeth need, or what would he need to do, to have those who put Climo ahead of him feel he has surpassed Climo?
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Given what seems to be something said be many of today's touring pros about the level of competition increasing of the last several years to a very high level...How many x's does McBeth need, or what would he need to do, to have those who put Climo ahead of him feel he has surpassed Climo?
When judging of all time, don't you have to judge players in their time?

It's the same debate in baseball and other sports, and probably in rating presidents and much else. Climo was a bigger fish in a smaller pond. Courses were generally shorter, discs much different, styles different (few players threw FH & BH), players couldn't live off playing full time, and so on. If you debit him for the different time he played in, should you also speculate on how different he might have been if he'd come along now, and credit him for that?

Or maybe you don't. The thread is an open-ended question, and no one's criteria is necessarily right.

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http://www.cracked.com/article_15823...-all-time.html

Lol Ron Russell
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Given what seems to be something said be many of today's touring pros about the level of competition increasing of the last several years to a very high level...How many x's does McBeth need, or what would he need to do, to have those who put Climo ahead of him feel he has surpassed Climo?
More than four.

While it's true that Climo didn't have the quantity of high quality competitors that McBeth has had to beat, he still had plenty of competition. Competition good enough to beat him on occasion, yet he still pulled off nine Worlds wins in a row and 11 in 13 years. That's dominance whether there were 10 1000-rated players or 50 in the field. McBeth has been dominant at Worlds for seven years (4 wins and 3 seconds). I think he needs a couple more titles and a few more years near the top to eclipse Climo.

To me, it's a kin to Tiger Woods vs Jack Nicklaus. Tiger had deeper fields to beat, but no one could argue he was near Jack let alone better after just five or six majors (Jack has 18). Now at 14 majors, there's a reasonable case to be made.
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