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Old 12-21-2018, 08:45 AM
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For the specific question, you will be able to move objects even if part of them extends in front of the rear of the marker disc. There is discussion about how or whether to change the rule. One solution may be to remove the words "and no closer to the target." Another would be to define stance area.

The board has final say on rules; it's not something any one person can decide on their own.

Any more emails about the same topic would be handled by the same people that need to work on the fix.
I understand the process. I guess what I question is why anyone involved is doing the "media tour" to answer questions when the answers haven't been nailed down (or perhaps more accurately, when that person doesn't know even if they have been nailed down...never heard your answer out of his mouth). Or why the updated rules were published at all without the answers to some basic questions being nailed down.
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Old 12-21-2018, 08:47 AM
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I haven't listened to the PDGA radio appearance, but did listen to his Smashboxx spot and it was essentially the same as you describe. No real clarity about the question brought by this thread in particular, just his opinion (official? not official? totally unclear) of what the correct interpretation/application of the updated rule will be.

It would be really great if someone nominally appearing as a representative of the PDGA could be prepared enough to give firm answers to questions rather than couch a lot of stuff in "I think" and "in my opinion". If you're not the person to provide the answers, you shouldn't be the one taking the questions.
And what about a written explanation so all PDGA members can understand the rules? not just those that can hear audio...
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Old 12-21-2018, 02:36 PM
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And what about a written explanation so all PDGA members can understand the rules? not just those that can hear audio...
hmmm, is that because putting rules in writing makes them *clearer* than a visual or audio explanation? Not necessarily so. It's like what Mrs. Gump said about those boxes of chocolates.

Besides, don't the vids have closed captioning???
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Old 12-21-2018, 02:44 PM
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Old 12-21-2018, 04:00 PM
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hmmm, is that because putting rules in writing makes them *clearer* than a visual or audio explanation? Not necessarily so. It's like what Mrs. Gump said about those boxes of chocolates.

Besides, don't the vids have closed captioning???
No, it's because currently the only clarification has been through PDGA radio, a medium deaf disc golfers cannot use to understand the new rules. The PDGA should be inclusive with their explanations, not exclusive.

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Old 12-22-2018, 03:23 PM
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For the specific question, you will be able to move objects even if part of them extends in front of the rear of the marker disc. There is discussion about how or whether to change the rule. One solution may be to remove the words "and no closer to the target." Another would be to define stance area.
How did this rule change get past anybody? Couldn't they have foreseen these issues?
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The problem is they (the RC) knew what they meant and read what they wrote through that lens. Unfortunately, what they wrote does not match what they intended.

So now the rules of play and the Q&A are at odds with each other. One of them needs to change...

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Old 12-25-2018, 07:58 AM
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I have a theory about rule changes. The stupidity of any rule change is directly related to how many pages it generates on DGCR. Only six pages makes this one just mildly idiotic.

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I have a theory about rule changes. The stupidity of any rule change is directly related to how many pages it generates on DGCR. Only six pages makes this one just mildly idiotic.
Another way to look at it is how easy is it to express what is wrong with the rule change and how to fix it. When those two points are clearly expressed, there's nothing for other posters to do except press the nice button and/or post a Morgan Freeman meme.
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A couple of pictures would have clarified this rule change & avoided all this speculation.

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