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Old 02-18-2019, 01:24 PM
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The rule seems pretty clear: "If a player or their equipment interferes with their own throw, the player is assessed one penalty throw. The disc is played where it first comes to rest. See 810.E for intentional interference." If you or your equipment get in the way of your throw, then there is a penalty. There are no qualifiers if that equipment was allowed to be there or not. Just move it if needed.

If you've setup a base camp with your cart, stool, water bottle, bag, towel, umbrella, etc. where a typical roll away can occur, then maybe you shouldn't have setup a base camp there.

While some may not like it, it's a lot better than before. The problem is as soon as you start writing all sorts of exceptions, you end up with a very wordy rule and/or other corner cases not mentioned in the exception list.
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Old 02-18-2019, 01:26 PM
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The problem is as soon as you start writing all sorts of exceptions, you end up with a very wordy rule and/or other corner cases not mentioned in the exception list.
I don't think it's complicated to write that discs/markers that are currently in play are exempt.

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Old 02-18-2019, 01:26 PM
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I don't think it's complicated to write that discs/markers that are currently in play are exempt.
Unless it's not exempt.
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Old 02-18-2019, 01:28 PM
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Unless it's not exempt.

care to elaborate?
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Old 02-18-2019, 01:31 PM
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care to elaborate?
You were saying that the vagueness should be clarified. As a I said above."I think it's intentionally vague. Leaving it as just "equipment" instead of a long list of items takes out the chances of missing something odd or unforeseen."

If the intention was your own discs and minis to not be considered in this, it would have been listed. As you said, it's not hard to add that exception. The fact it's missing leads to my interpretation that it's intentionally missing and therefore considered equipment.
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Old 02-18-2019, 01:53 PM
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As you said, it's not hard to add that exception. The fact it's missing leads to my interpretation that it's intentionally missing and therefore considered equipment.
That is reasonable, but still pure speculation.

Anyway, I wasn't arguing with that point, I was responding to Krupicka's contention that it is too complicated to write. Apparently we agree on that.
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Old 02-18-2019, 01:57 PM
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That is reasonable, but still pure speculation.

Anyway, I wasn't arguing with that point, I was responding to Krupicka's contention that it is too complicated to write. Apparently we agree on that.
It's absolutely not hard to write, which is why I have very little doubt that it not being there is intentional.

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Old 02-18-2019, 02:01 PM
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"Unintentional" interference is a 100% random penalty and should be gotten rid of. See 2 meter rule.

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It's absolutely not hard to write, which is why I have very little doubt that it not being there is intentional.
There are rules updates and clarifications all the time, which gives me a great deal of doubt that every ambiguity is intentional.

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Old 02-18-2019, 02:12 PM
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There are rules updates and clarifications all the time, which gives me a great deal of doubt that every ambiguity is intentional.
How is this rule as written ambiguous?
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