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How did having a final 9 become commonplace at DG tournaments?
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Old 05-07-2014, 09:05 PM
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I'm not sure how commonplace it is. Pretty rare around here (though we experimented and ran a Final-6 each of the last 2 years).

I think, in part, it's an attempt to coerce a gallery.
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Old 05-07-2014, 09:39 PM
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Aside from Worlds and a few marquee events, are they really that common?

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I think, in part, it's an attempt to coerce a gallery.
Which is why I think the whole notion of having one is falling out of favor.
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I think, in part, it's an attempt to coerce a gallery.
This, and it also builds in a distraction for players so that the TD and staff can check and sort scores, organize payouts, and otherwise set up the awards ceremony that will (hopefully) immediately follow the final.
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I played my first tournament with a "final nine" a couple of weeks ago. The format was 27 holes in the first round, with the top five players in each class playing a final nine to finish. Many of the classes had five or fewer players, so no suspense for most of us. With 27 holes the first round didn't end until 2:00, and we didn't start the final nine until about 3:00. Only about ten players were eliminated from the final nine, and they just went on home. No interest in spectating...

I'd much rather play two 18-hole rounds and call it good.
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I played my first tournament with a "final nine" a couple of weeks ago. The format was 27 holes in the first round, with the top five players in each class playing a final nine to finish. Many of the classes had five or fewer players, so no suspense for most of us. With 27 holes the first round didn't end until 2:00, and we didn't start the final nine until about 3:00. Only about ten players were eliminated from the final nine, and they just went on home. No interest in spectating...

I'd much rather play two 18-hole rounds and call it good.
Final Nines for every division is overkill, IMO, particularly divisions for which there aren't enough players to warrant a "cut". 27 + 9 is an odd choice, though. I presume it wasn't PDGA as 36 for everyone is usually the minimum number of holes (for B & C tiers anyway).
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Our experiment at Stoney Hill had to do, in part, with incorporating our different layouts. We played two 18s on Saturday, 24 on Sunday, then a final 6. Besides creating a little extra drama and giving players the chance to watch, if they chose, we did it to replay some cool holes that had only been played once.

Last year we tried it with a Final 6 for most divisions; this year we only did it for the Top 4 in Open and Top 4 in Advanced. But we didn't keep a gallery hostage; we paid out everyone else, or at least everyone who wanted to get paid and leave early, before the Final 6.

After two years of experimentation, we've decided to drop the Finals in the future.
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I'll be playing in my first event with a Final 9 in a few weeks. They're doing it for all divisions, making the cut at the payout line. So they won't be coercing much of a gallery; everyone who misses the cut will be free to go, unless they are riding with someone who's still playing, or have won some side item like a CTP that won't be awarded until later.
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It really started in 2002 with the syndicated "Disc TV" show. After the first few events, the producers were getting annoyed as they were filming the lead card (they only had one camera) and they had no footage of the winner that came from the second or lower card. They started requiring events they were filming to do a final nine so they were assured of having the eventual winner on tape.
On a side note, I played in the final 9 at the 2004 Greater Peoria Open. It was a safari 9 at McNaughton and the TD fielded 9 cards (8 open men, 4 open women, 8 Adv. men, etc.)! It was a big event back then. There were galleries following the cards they wanted and galleries watching their favorite holes. It was an absolute blast!
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While I'm sure Disc TV had an influence on some events that otherwise didn't incorporate a Final 9, the concept of final 9s existed before then (Worlds for years, for example). I remember events from my first year of competing (1998) featuring Final somethings, whether it was 9 or 6 or some other number...usually they involved safari components. None of them even dreamed of having a camera following the action. Just the Novice division.
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