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Old 10-18-2016, 12:55 PM
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I have been throwing them for a while and as they become seasoned, I am liking the Champions more and more. They truly are longer TeeBirds while at the same time power down nicely as well.

I still have Stars, but since they routinely come up 30 feet or more shorter than Champions because of the harsher fading dump, they rarely see action. I have thrown them on thumbers and whatnot to speed up the seasoning process, but they still not compare to the Champs.

I picked up another Air Force Champ the other and definitely no let down. I am sitting on the fence about getting another G-Star for winter or not. The only one I had in the past was decent, almost exactly how I see my seasoned Champs now, but I picked it up at the tail end of winter and traditionally want to get back to throwing my normal discs as soon as possible. If I can get them dry, for me I find a worn champion the grippiest plastic during the winter (key words are dry and worn).

The only knock I have against them is that since they are so good at landing flat, even if fading, that it is easy for them to slice into the rough and become difficult to find. I have lost more Thunderbirds than any other mold this year, but that also could be a product of how generally I trust them in certain situations where I would not throw another disc
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Old 10-18-2016, 01:16 PM
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Yeah I feel like it's all about what you want out of the Thunderbird; none of them are bad and they seem pretty consistent. I personally don't love champ plastic. Winter is wet around here and it's too slick to be usable for me. I have thrown a few champ Thunderbirds and they are definitely straighter with less fade at full power than my Star, Pro, or DX Thunderbirds. I have a GStar that I use when I want a straighter line, and now one of my heavier DX's is finally beating in enough to be a little straighter as well.

Anyway, the moral of story is this: if you want straight to moderately strong fade, Star, DX, or Pro are the way to go in my experience. If you want straight with a small fade, then that's champ. If you want a little bit of turn and a small fade, then that's GStar. Of course you can also get lighter DX Thunderbirds which have a bit more turn out of the box too, but I don't think that's what you are asking for. So it's all down to the lines you want to hit and your plastic preferences.

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Old 10-18-2016, 02:12 PM
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Thinking about trying a Thunderbird. Sorry for the old bump but better than making a new thread. Anywho I really want a fast, slightly overstable driver for consistent hyzer throws, even in low headwinds. I'm guessing champ would be best for keeping the flight from going to straight too soon which would overlap with discs I'm throwing now. Is this thing overstable enough in pro or star to maintain that flight or should I get something slightly more overstable in anticipation of a break in?
Currently throw lots of fairway drivers, I throw in the 300-320 range. Thanks in advance.
No need to apologize for bumping the thread. Good info in here.

My own experience with the Thunderbird is that I have Thunderbirds in Star, GStar, DX, and Champion plastics. Perhaps surprisingly, the Star Thunderbird is the most overstable and has remained so.

The Champion Thunderbird has been very consistent for me, and is my favorite Thunderbird disc. I love it for anny flex shots, as well.

The GStar was inconsistent for me. It might do better when winter temperatures come again, but for the most part I've given up on GStar completely. But I digress; back to the Thunderbird:

The DX Thunderbird is a great blend of DX; I wish every DX disc was this way. The DX Thunderbird is beginning to beat in nicely.

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Old 10-18-2016, 02:39 PM
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I am an avid Thunderbird thrower and usually carry about 3-4 in my bag. From my experience here is how I feel the stability ranges from most stable to least:

stiff firm star - champ glow - champ - softer star - gstar

I do not carry any DX plastic, so I cannot comment on their stability. I have also heard that MF is close to champ.

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Old 10-18-2016, 03:46 PM
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I am an avid Thunderbird thrower and usually carry about 3-4 in my bag. From my experience here is how I feel the stability ranges from most stable to least:

stiff firm star - champ glow - champ - softer star - gstar

I do not carry any DX plastic, so I cannot comment on their stability. I have also heard that MF is close to champ.
I haven't felt any softer star Thunderbirds so I can't comment on those. I have a Pro and it is equally overstable to my Star. The DX's (I have many) are a solid tick more overstable. So if I could add to your chart, it would be:

dx - stiff firm star/pro - champ glow - champ - softer star - gstar

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Old 10-18-2016, 05:02 PM
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I haven't felt any softer star Thunderbirds so I can't comment on those.
I think I just got lucky, but my club had 2 "Throw Pink" star Thunderbirds and they felt great. Both feel and fly exactly the same and the plastic reminds me of my three line AJ Destroyers.

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Old 10-18-2016, 05:19 PM
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You guys are awesome, gonna save me some cash!
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Old 10-18-2016, 06:07 PM
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http://dgustore.com/index.php/throw-...underbird.html

These are the Thunderbirds I am talking about. I can't say they all feel or fly like the ones I got though. I also have 425" plus distance and I still think the harder star Thunderbirds are Firebirdish.
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Old 10-18-2016, 06:29 PM
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Here's the million dollar question. How do Star Thunderbirds compare to C &S line PDs? I FH my C-PD and Champ Thunderbirds always show turn when I throw them FH. It's not a huge amount of turn but if I throw them with any anhyzer at all they turn into cut rollers.
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Old 10-18-2016, 06:44 PM
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Here's the million dollar question. How do Star Thunderbirds compare to C &S line PDs? I FH my C-PD and Champ Thunderbirds always show turn when I throw them FH. It's not a huge amount of turn but if I throw them with any anhyzer at all they turn into cut rollers.
PDs go further. WAY further. I have a firm Star Thunderbird that is more OS than any Sexton Firebird and about 25 feet shorter, consistently.
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