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Old 10-29-2018, 09:36 AM
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In my last tournament, I had some juniors whose MA40 parents were playing with them in a group of 5: two parents, three kids. The tournament was spread out over two courses with plenty of room between groups. The start was at 9:30 and by 12:15, everyone except the junior/parent group was finished. The junior/parent group turned in their card at 1:20 p.m. I was not a happy TD.

My tournament is at a course that is in a rural area and out-of-towners, who make up about 2/3 of every tournament, must travel for 1.5 to 2 hours to get to it and I like to finish up and give everyone plenty of time to grab a meal and get home. This also explains why I don't start earlier: so everyone can get to the tourney without having to leave home too early.

In any event, I am tossing around the idea of a scorecard turn-in deadline for both rounds at three hours. I will put the responsibility on any group that is being held up to report the slow group so that the hold up can be addressed before it becomes a problem.

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Old 10-29-2018, 10:03 AM
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Yikes. I suppose consideration can be given to, not offering Junior divisions. Certainly don't want this to become a norm, but given the circumstances of your tournament, I think the argument could be made that it is appropriate. I have been on my fair share of cards with Juniors and they don't have to play slowly. Granted, they may take a lot of strokes, but if parents are chaperones, as they are supposed to be (or officials), speed of play need to be encouraged/enforced. Not all tournaments are Junior friendly.

Outside of that, a rules certified official could be assigned to the card and keep them moving.

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Old 10-29-2018, 10:04 AM
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solution 1- no fivesomes.

there are always going to be groups which are slower than others- part of the deal as a td- the scenario you describe is not all that unusual. i had a group saturday that finished at least 45 minutes after all the rest- this was with groups of 3 on a partially full course. i try the best i can to keep the players i know to be slow out of the same groups for the first round which is the only time i have control over it. technically against pdga rules but better for the whole either way.

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there is absolutely no way to enforce a "scorecard deadline"

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What's the penalty if they fail? DQ? I don't think I would like to play in a tournament under those conditions personally.

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Old 10-29-2018, 10:10 AM
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how old were the juniors?

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How big were the other groups? If you had plenty of space between groups, did you need to run them as a fivesome?

We have some divisions that are notoriously slow. At events where we do run fivesomes, we limit these divisions to only four in a group for speed of play.

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Old 10-29-2018, 10:40 AM
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solution 1- no fivesomes.
This is the answer you seek! Especially if the courses were not full.


As is my tournament luck, I usually get stuck behind the only fivesome and end up waiting on

every

single

hole

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My first question is the same as biscoe: how old are the juniors?

Second question: was this a PDGA event?

Competition Manual 1.13 addresses junior players and specifies that each junior under 13 must be accompanied by a parent or guardian. It doesn't state it clearly, but the implication is that this parent/guardian is a non-player. Specifically, the parent/guardian is restricted from making calls or seconds in the group (leaving it up to the junior players themselves). That would make it tough for a parent who is playing in the group to fulfill their obligations as a player to observe, call, and enforce rules within their player group (801.02 and 812).

So my first suggestion, assuming PDGA and juniors under 13, is to make the parents choose whether they or the kids get to play...it can't be both. Heck, regardless of the PDGA part, it seems like a bad idea to have a fivesome constructed like that. Especially if there is enough space between groups on the course where they can finish over an hour after everyone else. Unless we're talking about a tournament with a group on every hole and at least 73 players on the course, there's no reason whatsoever to have a fivesome at all.

That said, if you're putting that group on the course, you as a TD can't get upset that they take so long to play the round. You send the group out, you have to assume they'll be slower than everyone else.

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Old 10-29-2018, 12:02 PM
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Another thought, which may or may not be applicable in this case, is to have appropriate-length tees for the juniors. If it's taking them a lot more strokes than other divisions, this might be the problem.

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