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Old 08-15-2012, 11:39 AM
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Nah, SSA is the Scratch Scoring Average - ie what a 1000 rated player should be shooting.

It's not completely relative to the ratings of the players that are on the course that day, though that does weigh in the calculation.
It is completely relative to the ratings of the players that are on the course that day. The SSA is entirely calculated from the way players with established ratings shoot that day, it doesn't take the course or other events into account at all.
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Old 08-15-2012, 11:55 AM
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Like I said, who's to say the numbers from league aren't closer to the true course rating? There's no independent way to confirm it either way. For all we know, some course SSAs are inflated due to tournament stats only. I think we'll be reconsidering course ratings all over the country based on league play.
are you suggesting that an established professional cannot accurately gauge scratch to within +/-5 strokes on his home course?
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sorry throws i meant or you wont answer.
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Old 08-15-2012, 12:04 PM
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I bet that the main variation in SSAs is caused by league play being populated by a much higher proportion of newer players than is typical at tournaments. If they have few rated rounds and are quickly improving, "ratings lag" could be contributing a lot to lower SSAs....and lower round ratings for established players.

Can anyone participating in leagues comment on this?
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Old 08-15-2012, 12:05 PM
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I'd say experienced pros can determine SSA within +/-5 most of the time usually over versus underestimating. Even I can't do it closer than around +/- 3 most of the time unless I poke the numbers into our Hole Forecaster which gets within +/- 1.5.
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I bet that the main variation in SSAs is caused by league play being populated by a much higher proportion of newer players than is typical at tournaments. If they have few rated rounds and are quickly improving, "ratings lag" could be contributing a lot to lower SSAs....and lower round ratings for established players.

Can anyone participating in leagues comment on this?
Is it likely that all those new players would be propagators though?
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Old 08-15-2012, 01:31 PM
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Is it likely that all those new players would be propagators though?
Yup.....and when only 4 or so are used the results come out pretty crazy.

SSE on here is 51.2......which just furthers my problems trying to understand what SSE is.

47 has been the benchmark 1000 rated round and all of a sudden it becomes a 960 due to all the props...either having lag or just being better than their rating on this particular course.
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Old 08-15-2012, 01:46 PM
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What course and what configuration? Can you provide links to league results and tournament results using the same layout?

SSE is explained here
http://www.dgcoursereview.com/faq.php?mode=show&id=43
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Old 08-15-2012, 01:49 PM
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47 has been the benchmark 1000 rated round and all of a sudden it becomes a 960 due to all the props...either having lag or just being better than their rating on this particular course.
An explanation that might make you happy is that all TX players rated over 1000 are way overrated.
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What course and what configuration? Can you provide links to league results and tournament results using the same layout?

SSE is explained here
http://www.dgcoursereview.com/faq.php?mode=show&id=43
Results from the league http://www.pdga.com/tournament_resul...s%3D1829231521

This year's event http://www.pdga.com/tournament_results/87195/Open

Last year's http://www.pdga.com/tournament_results/64500/Open
Pecan Park In Nacogdoches, TX
http://www.dgcoursereview.com/course.php?id=867


Think they need to update a few holes as well....and we played Pecan the 3rd round of both events

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