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Old 04-06-2019, 01:03 PM
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You know what really prevents gender sandbagging, not just in disc golf but in any sport?

The notion that a man would voluntarily transition to female, live as female pretty much forever, go through the medical hassle of hormone therapy, watching his (deleted) shrivel up like a Vienna sausage and a pair of old raisins, growing breasts, having to go through the hassle of changing his legal documentation with dozens or hundreds of companies and government agencies, and immediately joining the ranks of one of the single most despised and discriminated-against minorities, being a social pariah, facing ostracization from his peers and family, and all that. . .

Just to win some disc golf trophies.

Yeah no. There's a reason gender sandbagging isn't a thing. The boogey-man (no pun intended) of some guy just dropping everything and playing as a woman for the lols falls apart with more than a moment's casual thought.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/transgende...ry?id=55856294

It is LITERALLY happening in other sports who's to say it won't happen if our sport grows more?

Incredibly ignorant of you, especially as someone who is telling us to do research, to brush it off as if it would never happen.
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Old 04-06-2019, 01:05 PM
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LOL at people who think gender reassignment surgery and subsequent status as social pariah is easier path to success than field work.

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Old 04-06-2019, 01:54 PM
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LOL at people who think gender reassignment surgery and subsequent status as social pariah is easier path to success than field work.
These people definitely exist. They are the same ones who think discrimination doesn't exist. It would be very interesting to see a person like this go through with such a plan, and see how their attitude towards minorities changes.
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Old 04-06-2019, 03:11 PM
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I think what sticks in people's craw are the people that just before a gender, never see a doctor or undergo any treatment, and compete as that gender. It happens regularly now in all sports from weightlifting to wrestling and on from there. Requiring the completion of transition seems reasonable.
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Old 04-06-2019, 03:35 PM
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There are a number of states that allow the applicant to select gender (including non-binary) on their driver's license. How does the PDGA expect a TD to enforce their policy?

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Old 04-06-2019, 03:44 PM
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Casey's alternate facts strike again! She was not from India or Pakistan.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caster_Semenya

and.... In before the Landfill
I hope that this is not the woman he was thinking of, because she is not transgender but hyperandrogenous, meaning she naturally has elevated testosterone levels due to genetic variation. Completely different scenarios that I would hope people can wrap their head around.

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Old 04-06-2019, 03:58 PM
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There are a number of states that allow the applicant to select gender (including non-binary) on their driver's license. How does the PDGA expect a TD to enforce their policy?
Player eligibility is determined by what the PDGA has in the database thereby removing the onus from TD's. (Although in theory i suppose the issue could arise with a non-member as well.)
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Old 04-06-2019, 04:24 PM
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Player eligibility is determined by what the PDGA has in the database thereby removing the onus from TD's. (Although in theory i suppose the issue could arise with a non-member as well.)
Maybe I'm overly influenced by the internet; but there seem to be a lot of SJWs who love to test anything testable, and loudly object to anything they find objectionable.

It does seem like non-gender ratings protection is the strategic choice.

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Powerlifting is having the same debate.

It's a polarizing issue. USAPL has taken the stance where trans athletes are not allowed to compete (it's a tested federation, and drug use not allowed even if it is therapeutic level). RPS has taken a stance where trans athletes can compete only in the Open (ie non-tested) division.

It's a tough question to answer. I dont think either of those stances are incorrect, as they are contiguous with the rules standards of those federations.

For the PDGA, they would be best off taking the same stance as the IOC/WADA. This sport relies less on muscle and power, but there are still inherent biological advantages of people who go through puberty as males but transition later in life.
 

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Old 04-06-2019, 05:21 PM
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Its an interesting topic to talk about. Personally I don't believe any person that is born as a male and wants to transition into a female should be able to compete in a protected division such as FPO. Doesn't matter if they have the appropriate hormone levels. They still have muscle built from being a male for the majority of their life. This would give them an advantage over 99% of female disc golfers.

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