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Old 06-10-2018, 12:37 AM
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Really good addition from Lat64. Even if all they did was copy the Teebird lol.
Yep...like a Teebird? Like gummy plastic? Sounds good.
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Old 06-10-2018, 01:53 AM
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So... I was intrigued by the explorer but it wasn’t a priority to try. However, today the guy that runs my local course had a bunch of tournament stamped discs for $5 and I happened across a 158 Opto air from BG Ams. I usually throw max weight but it was good enough looking and felt nice enough that I gave it a shot.

In the hand, it’s a Teebird. Not a T3 for sure, but the feel is good. And at first it made me think of my first 165 DX Teebird when it was new.

It holds power fairly well, and gosh, I was impressed.

The flight has slight turn and a very mild fade, and though you can manipulate it some, it does the straight to mild fade thing very well.

I don’t know if I’ll bag it full time, but it will likely get a trip in my travel bag to see how I like it.

My friend who has a lot less power as able to throw it flat and straight about 250 easily, which is good for him. May end up in his bag when I done messing with it.

Really good addition from Lat64. Even if all they did was copy the Teebird lol.
I've noticed that a lot of people who don't throw over 300' like the Explorer. If, and only if, I was sponsored would the Explorer be my fairway driver. I did almost ace the only throw I've had with one, but its a hole I usually throw a KC Roc on. For some reason, Champ feels better than Opto to me.

Anyone know how the Explorer and River Pro compare? I'm just curious as the one River Pro I threw was an absolute beefcake, even after I deflashed it and beat it up.
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Old 06-10-2018, 09:02 AM
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had a thought to compare the saint pro to explorer. had a funny feeling their was a relationship btw the two.

a few throws and some careful observation has led me to believe the explorer is based off the st. pro.

dd explorer=lat 64 saint pro
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Old 06-10-2018, 10:21 AM
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had a thought to compare the saint pro to explorer. had a funny feeling their was a relationship btw the two.

a few throws and some careful observation has led me to believe the explorer is based off the st. pro.

dd explorer=lat 64 saint pro
Explorer is also lat64...
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Old 06-10-2018, 12:47 PM
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I stand corrected. But still think they have both evolved from the similar molding.
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Old 06-10-2018, 02:15 PM
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I've noticed that a lot of people who don't throw over 300' like the Explorer. If, and only if, I was sponsored would the Explorer be my fairway driver. I did almost ace the only throw I've had with one, but its a hole I usually throw a KC Roc on. For some reason, Champ feels better than Opto to me.

Anyone know how the Explorer and River Pro compare? I'm just curious as the one River Pro I threw was an absolute beefcake, even after I deflashed it and beat it up.
My TC river pro is super beefy, pretty solid hss. And a ton of lss. Not really comparable to to an explorer
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Old 06-19-2018, 09:45 AM
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On our family vacation to the Grand Canyon, I stopped in Emporia. While I did not have time to play more than just a few holes at Jones East, I was able to stop in the Dynamic store. For whatever reason, I decided to give the Opto Explorer another shot. I guess the only reason why is that in the last month I have really stretched out and became comfortable throwing the EMac Truth for distance. It had taken many shots from my Gazelle and TeeBird3, so I know I can temporarily take them out of the bag if I give them Explorer another try.

The last Explorers I threw were the Burst SE, and they were glideless pigs, coming up well short of my TeeBird3 despite being thrown at power. However, I am going to give the Optos a try to see if I get better results.

This morning I was able to sneak out of the motel room while the family was sleeping in and played a course in Amarillo. Every shot I made with the Explorer seemed underpowered, like the disc was somehow preventing me from generating full power. I cannot explain it. However, it was always hitting my line, which in the end is more important than raw distance. I wish I could have stretched them out farther, and yet, because of the accuracy, I actually parked numerous holes.

The real test will be when I get home and can compare them against the rest of my lineup, but for now, if I get out anymore this vacation, all I have with me is my Soft Dagger, Gold Line Pure, Star Ontario Roc, Bio EMac Truth, Lucid EMac Truth, Burst Judge, Fuji, Lucid Explorer, and a Gold Line Villain.
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Old 06-19-2018, 09:57 AM
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had a thought to compare the saint pro to explorer. had a funny feeling their was a relationship btw the two.

a few throws and some careful observation has led me to believe the explorer is based off the st. pro.

dd explorer=lat 64 saint pro
Aren't the rim widths different?
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Old 06-26-2018, 09:49 AM
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My options saint pros are starting to turn n burn on me. Is an explorer going to maybe hold a straighter line and finish left? I can get saint pros to about 350-360
I compared them during the winter, same landing zone but with less turn and fade for the SE explorer, the Opto (domey) compares to the stable pearly pop-top Saint pro.

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On our family vacation to the Grand Canyon, I stopped in Emporia. While I did not have time to play more than just a few holes at Jones East, I was able to stop in the Dynamic store. For whatever reason, I decided to give the Opto Explorer another shot. I guess the only reason why is that in the last month I have really stretched out and became comfortable throwing the EMac Truth for distance. It had taken many shots from my Gazelle and TeeBird3, so I know I can temporarily take them out of the bag if I give them Explorer another try.

The last Explorers I threw were the Burst SE, and they were glideless pigs, coming up well short of my TeeBird3 despite being thrown at power. However, I am going to give the Optos a try to see if I get better results.

This morning I was able to sneak out of the motel room while the family was sleeping in and played a course in Amarillo. Every shot I made with the Explorer seemed underpowered, like the disc was somehow preventing me from generating full power. I cannot explain it. However, it was always hitting my line, which in the end is more important than raw distance. I wish I could have stretched them out farther, and yet, because of the accuracy, I actually parked numerous holes.

The real test will be when I get home and can compare them against the rest of my lineup, but for now, if I get out anymore this vacation, all I have with me is my Soft Dagger, Gold Line Pure, Star Ontario Roc, Bio EMac Truth, Lucid EMac Truth, Burst Judge, Fuji, Lucid Explorer, and a Gold Line Villain.
Now I'm curious! I'm in love with the SE due to their superior glide...
Could this be because I only throw them around 320' and the Opto simply is slightly too stable for me to hyzerflip? I bet a beat Opto outsails everything though. Not bitter I forgot both my FR and my Prototype on the course.........
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I compared them during the winter, same landing zone but with less turn and fade for the SE explorer, the Opto (domey) compares to the stable pearly pop-top Saint pro.



Now I'm curious! I'm in love with the SE due to their superior glide...
Could this be because I only throw them around 320' and the Opto simply is slightly too stable for me to hyzerflip? I bet a beat Opto outsails everything though. Not bitter I forgot both my FR and my Prototype on the course.........
I was on a family vacation with one of my stops being at the Emporia store. From there I stopped for rounds at Amarillo, Albuquerque, and Colorado Springs. All three of those courses are completely different from what I play in Minnesota because of the different elevation, heat, lack of humidity, etc, etc. In Minnesota, at my power level (380-420 max distance), most discs fly true to their numbers.

I had two SE Burst Explorers from when they first came out. I really put them through their paces at my local 9, so I knew exactly what I wanted out of them and how they would compare to the other discs in my bag. Those Explorers were often on target but routinely came up short of my GStar TeeBird3s. I would have to give them more power in comparison to the T3 to get similar results. I could only attribute that to a lack of glide in comparison, and T3s are not known for their glide. These SE were seasoned, after hitting numerous trees and such, so it is not a matter of being fresh. I also had three Optos, but I was saving them in case I did not like the Explorer, and since I did not like the SE, I traded away the Opto without giving them a chance.

When I was at the Emporia store, I saw two Opto Explorers that were discounted because of double stamps. I decided to give them another try. I am a color snob when it comes to my tournament bag. I wanted all white, but Innova/Discmania almost never releases GStar or Champion in white, so I go with all yellow for my bag. I am not as particular, usually going with blaze orange, for my everyday practice bag. I seasoned in my practice orange T3 to near perfection, so recently I have been bagging my tournament T3 in the everyday bag to get that to that same perfection. However, short of purposely damaging that specific T3, I cannot get it out of its meathook phase. Hence the reason for giving the Opto Explorer another try (because it comes in white).

After three rounds, I can confidently say that my Optos are not that different from the SE that I threw. They were accurate, got the job done (securing a minimum of par), but again lacked glide and had a harsh but quick dumping fade. I had to power them up to get anything out of them. And even then, it is difficult to explain, but I felt like I was never getting power behind them. I felt like I could get so much more power and snap, but every throw FELT like I was only throwing at 60 or 70 power despite trying to throw hard. I am not sure whether it was because of the different climate than what I am use to do. While I was not playing the most difficult courses out there (preferring the 18s closest to my hotel), I finished my vacation having played all those courses under par, so I know I was playing well enough to judge how these discs were flying. Still, I am estimating I could get them out to 340-350 accurately. Unfortunately on this road trip, these Explorers were the only drivers I had with me. If I would have had my Trespasses or Enforcers with me, I would have had a better judge of how far they were getting against my expectations.

I am home now, so I will give them more of a workout against what I know what I can do and what I normally throw in situations that I have prior experiences with.

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