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Old 06-23-2020, 02:25 PM
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Since you like the verdict, you might consider a zone if you want a tweener os disc. I would also recommend the ringer gt in jawbreaker. It has a touch more glide than a rhyno, feels the same in hand (has a raised thumb track) and the bead is not too pronounced. For what it's worth, I love the flight of a comet but absolutely hate the feel of it so I carry a (beadless) sol which matches up a lot better with how my other discs feel.
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Old 06-23-2020, 04:02 PM
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There are flat-top KC Pro Rocs out there and they feel amazing. The dome is what makes the Roc, or other beaded mids, feel uncomfortable to me.
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Old 06-23-2020, 08:36 PM
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Welp, I went out to the course today and got myself enmeshed in a nasty love triangle. I'm now involved with a Gatekeeper and a Compass. It could get messy.

The Gatekeeper is a 172 Tourney and the Compass is a 173 Opto. They both feel very similar in the hand: flattish with a slight dome, not too deep or too shallow, and no bead.

And they both flew like magic. A touch slower than a Truth or Buzzz and so freaking straight with a nice little fade. The fade is enough to carve great lines but they're also straight enough to almost be lasers if I keep them lower.

I parked 3 holes with them and honestly, they're so similar for me I don't know which to keep.

They're definitely easier to range than my Emac Truth. And paired with my Suspects, I feel either one would be money.

As for the US slot, that's still up for grabs. I threw a Comet several times and I really hate the feel. It's like a trash can lid. The Meteor is still in contention. I still dig the Fuse, too but it may be a little faster. It's a finesse disc, though so it could still work.
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Old 06-25-2020, 12:21 AM
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They're definitely easier to range than my Emac Truth.
I know you mentioned this in your initial thread, but apparently I glazed over it. Why are you trying to "range" your midranges? Do you use them as your approach discs instead of putters?
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Old 06-25-2020, 02:07 PM
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I usually approach with Suspects or Judges. But the majority of holes at my local courses are par 3s that need a fairway driver or midrange from the tee. I get almost fairway distance from the Truth, which makes it harder to range. I've found slower mids are easier for me to work with since they don't infringe on fairway driver territory.

And for long approaches out of my Suspect range, a slower mid is also better for me. Again, since the Truth is so speedy, sometimes I cruise past the basket.

I started throwing Suspects and Judges really well in the last couple years. The more adept I get with those slower discs, the harder time I have with faster mids. As I get older, my whole game has slowed down.

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Old 06-25-2020, 03:14 PM
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I usually approach with Suspects or Judges. But the majority of holes at my local courses are par 3s that need a fairway driver or midrange from the tee. I get almost fairway distance from the Truth, which makes it harder to range. I've found slower mids are easier for me to work with since they don't infringe on fairway driver territory.

And for long approaches out of my Suspect range, a slower mid is also better for me. Again, since the Truth is so speedy, sometimes I cruise past the basket.

I started throwing Suspects and Judges really well in the last couple years. The more adept I get with those slower discs, the harder time I have with faster mids. As I get older, my whole game has slowed down.
That makes sense. I thought that by "range" you meant you were trying to throw mids on shots like a 150' approach, which is much easier to do with a putter.

I do throw Emacs and Judges also, and personally I feel like a long driving putter (Proxy) fits the gap very nicely. Proxy is one of those disc that I try to take out of my bag for a while in order to minimize molds, but I always end up missing it and putting it back in. Hopefully your slow mid experience works out for you, but if not you should definitely give an Envy or Proxy a whirl. Even though they are classified as putters, they are very long to the point that I don't like approaching with them.
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I've got an Opto Pure coming in the mail. That's been suggested to me several times. But, like you, I try to keep the molds down. My Lucid Judge is great for neutral approaches and drives and for anything that needs more fade, the Suspect is perfect. I carry 4 Judges and 3 Suspects.

Not sure if I'll have a use for the Pure or not, especially since the Gatekeeper is rocking my world for slower midrange. I shot my 2nd best round ever today, partly because the Gatekeeper has been money off the tee. I just keep getting to the basket with relative ease. A Pure may just complicate things.
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Old 06-25-2020, 06:54 PM
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Just to add a little bit of insight on this:

The bead on older, slower mids was to slow the speed of the disc wearing out in DX plastic (which is what they were designed for). So, with the introduction of premium plastics, beads became less necessary - so started the era of the Buzzz. Of course, there are still modern mids with beads: wasp, bard, vector, ghost (basically just a roc), warrior, etc...they are out there. This actually makes me realize how little I know about modern midranges, if that's all I can name off the top of my head...

You could just get a comet and call it a day
Yes but, The Shark has been out since 1989 and it is a popular midrange option among older longtime players who did not like the bead and/or Shape of the ROC. Also is the Stingray for a disc that flies US and is sans bead in 1987 at the same day as the ROC. Stingray Was in one of the Innova Starter sets, the Star one before the company stopped all but the DX one.

You Forgot the Compass as a modern ROC like disc.

Oh I do agree in that the bead does help with the wear of a disc in baseline plastics. This is a reason a few early Drivers/Fairway drivers had a bead on the mold, almost none of the molds are in production anymore part to the premium plastics and part to the odd feel of these discs causing players to not want to play with the mold.
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Old 06-25-2020, 07:39 PM
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Slower mids just aren't really in vogue. My favorites include the Roc, the Comet, and the... well really there aren't a lot of readily available speed-4 options these days it would seem, or not ones I've tried.

I would probably prefer a flippy speed-4 over the glut of US options at speed 5. Give me something like:

4 / 5 / -3 / 1

I just want a mid that turns over reliably out of the box that doesn't tend to get away from you thanks to excessive speed and glide. Skip the crazy angular wings and shallow rims.

Mirage and Sol are pretty close, but slower and shallow AF.

To OP - check out the MVP throwing putters for sure. Specifically the Proxy, along with all the other Envy clones they make.

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The Theory would have been a good slower Fuse recommendation but it's OOPed for some reason. The Alias was also OOP I think and it was also a slower, more traditional midrange (would be in the same convo with the Compass and Gatekeeper).

The Pine and Bard are both underrated mids too. Bard has a bead but is fairly flattish, good OS mid. The Qms is always a great choice. The Coyote is a good neutral mid that's been resurrected by Infinite Discs I think (Anubis?).

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