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Raised baskets and artificial OB/ropes 17 17.71%
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Old 09-30-2020, 10:40 AM
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because if you look around, tourney registrations are going very quickly. 6 months with no organized play does indeed make people Jones to play.
Dear Birdiemachine,

You don't play, obviously. PDGA suspended tournament sanctioning March 17th and restarted sanctioning May 14th.

That is not six months. Most areas had tournaments up and running by the end of May. Our postponed B Tier was rescheduled to June 20th.

That is two months. You are a troll, making stuff up for attention. You obviously do not belong to a club, do not TD or assist in tournaments, do not play tournaments, do not work on courses, do not play leagues, do not have any interest in giving back to your disc golf community in any way. I highly suspect you do not play disc golf, at all. You seem to know very little about the game.

You are simply a liar. One of the most vile of human choices.
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Old 10-10-2020, 06:47 AM
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Actually, we use the TERM "par" the same; in both sports it is the score expected with expert play. Granted, we aren't as good at setting par according to the definition. Yet. Many tournaments are starting to get it right.

Even if par is set analogous to ball golf (score expected of an expert), we will see a few far-under scores, for two reasons. One, we just prefer to offer more (legit) birdie opportunities to more players. Two, the difference between the "expert" player and the very best players is bigger than it is in golf.

Paul's first 18 under would have been 15 under if par had been set according to the disc golf definition. His second would have been 12 under. Still incredible, but it would not indicate a problem with par. It would indicate how well Paul actually played those days.



If players can hit every putt, then par should be based on the score the experts expect to get with one putt.


Pretty well? Yes. Good enough? Well...

Par is not average.
Par is not average.
Par is not average.

Par is based on errorless play of an expert. If we take that expert to be the 1000-rated player, then par would be the score that a 1000-rated player would get with no errors. But, 1000-rated players do make some errors. On a course that severely punishes errors, the 1000-rated player would average a few throws over par. Therefore, an even-par round should be rated higher than 1000. Up to about 1030. That would imply par on this course maybe should be five parlecules lower.
You have to include letting players have the opportunity to have a birdie putt. Par is defined in disc golf as landing in C1/2 plus 2 putts. So the problem is the basket and nothing else. It's the exact same definition as ball golf. Par 4 is landing on the green in 2 (regulation) plus 2 putts. Par 3 is landing on the green in 1 plus 2 putts. Quite simple.

If players are making 90% of C1 putts then they target has to get smaller or more difficult in some way.
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If players are making 90% of C1 putts then they target has to get smaller or more difficult in some way.
Not sure why you push the basket size all the time. I don't see the PDGA's stance (nor the profit pipeline that maufactures them) being changed anytime soon when it comes to disc golf baskets. If you wanted an easy way to enhance difficulty while keeping all baskets the same, you could just remove every other chain. However, if the sport becomes a $hit show from 60ft in due to basket difficulty, that's going to look boring for fans and the sport itself.

To me it's obvious the one thing that is causing our sport to be a little lopsided is the discs themselves. We're already at a point where we're seeing 14-18 year old kids throwing 400-500ft. With faster, further flying discs being introduced regularly, I can't imagine how far kids will be throwing 10 years from now. If anything the PDGA should be concerned more about the evolution off the tee more than what's happening at the basket.

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Not sure why you push the basket size all the time. I don't see the PDGA's stance (nor the profit pipeline that maufactures them) being changed anytime soon when it comes to disc golf baskets. If you wanted an easy way to enhance difficulty while keeping all baskets the same, you could just remove every other chain. However, if the sport becomes a $hit show from 60ft in due to basket difficulty, that's going to look boring for fans and the sport itself.

To me it's obvious the one thing that is causing our sport to be a little lopsided is the discs themselves. We're already at a point where we're seeing 14-18 year old kids throwing 400-500ft. With faster, further flying discs being introduced regularly, I can't imagine how far kids will be throwing 10 years from now. If anything the PDGA should be concerned more about the evolution off the tee more than what's happening at the basket.
Discs are already limited and have been for years. The basket is the same size from the 70's. In fact it's gotten bigger and easier to catch off center putts. That's why we are seeing 15-18 under scores. Not throwing 500 feet. Heck watch the 99 worlds on youtube. Barry and Stokely were throwing 450+ feet with Eagles and Cyclones or whatever was available then.
 

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Discs are already limited and have been for years. The basket is the same size from the 70's. In fact it's gotten bigger and easier to catch off center putts. That's why we are seeing 15-18 under scores. Not throwing 500 feet. Heck watch the 99 worlds on youtube. Barry and Stokely were throwing 450+ feet with Eagles and Cyclones or whatever was available then.
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