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View Poll Results: Which of these best describes Hole 18 at the Utah Open?
A par 2 where 38% of throws are errors, and 1% of throws are hero throws. 6 25.00%
A par 3 where 24% of throws are errors, and 33% of throws are hero throws. 16 66.67%
A par 4 where 16% of throws are hero throws, and 23% are double heroes. 1 4.17%
A par 5 where 37% of throws are hero throws, and 21% are double heroes. 0 0%
A par 6 where 16% of throws are hero throws, and 62% are double heroes. 1 4.17%
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Do you have any info about the field that played the tournament and what their ratings are compared to the 1000 rated par? Just wondering.
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Old 06-02-2019, 08:31 PM
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The Tennessee Disc Golf State Championships are always interesting to look at, since they seem to use Recreational Par for the Open Division. Just in case they ever want to use Gold par, I attempted to get Gold pars for each hole based on round ratings and hole lengths.

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 Hole	  Rotary Blue	  Par	 Gold	      Kiwanis	  Par	 Gold	Panther Creek	  Par	 Gold	Cherokee Park	  Par	 Gold
    1	          570	    4	    4	          218	    3	    2	          735	    5	    4	          265	    3	    2
    2	          350	    3	    3	          327	    4	    3	          295	    3	    3	          535	    4	    3
    3	          370	    3	    3	          285	    3	    3	          625	    5	    4	          445	    4	    3
    4	          635	    5	    4	          200	    3	    2	          660	    4	    4	          310	    3	    3
    5	          535	    4	    4	          302	    3	    3	          520	    4	    3	          345	    3	    3
    6	          410	    4	    3	          270	    3	    2	          400	    3	    3	          290	    3	    2
    7	          400	    4	    3	          318	    3	    3	          450	    4	    3	          340	    3	    3
    8	          430	    4	    3	          333	    4	    3	          405	    3	    3	          615	    4	    3
    9	          410	    3	    3	          229	    3	    2	          710	    4	    4	          450	    4	    3
   10	          450	    3	    3	          224	    3	    2	          740	    5	    4	          485	    4	    3
   11	          485	    4	    3	          214	    3	    2	          620	    5	    4	          290	    3	    2
   12	          405	    4	    3	          312	    3	    3	          370	    3	    3	          385	    3	    3
   13	          370	    4	    3	          281	    3	    2	          590	    4	    3	          260	    3	    2
   14	          315	    3	    3	          191	    3	    2	          465	    4	    3	          635	    4	    4
   15	          390	    3	    3	          305	    4	    3	          650	    4	    4	          360	    3	    3
   16	          445	    4	    3	          254	    3	    2	          365	    3	    3	          310	    3	    3
   17	          455	    4	    3	          290	    3	    3	          635	    5	    4	          480	    4	    3
   18	          775	    5	    4	          323	    4	    3	          365	    3	    3	          455	    4	    3
Total	         8200	   68	   58	         4876	   58	   45	         9600	   71	   62	         7255	   62	   51
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Old 06-03-2019, 10:42 AM
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For Locomotive, course par of 61 would be appropriate for 900-rated players.

For Freight, course par of 59 would be appropriate for 870-rated players.

These courses seem to be a rich source of Gold par 2 holes. Here’s one of the par2est. It’s an island hole with a drop zone. Does anyone want to make the case that an expert would not expect a two on this hole?

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Do you have any info about the field that played the tournament and what their ratings are compared to the 1000 rated par? Just wondering.
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Cool. Thanks for the link. So from the link.

Average:Result
64.95, Rating 946.47
58.6, Rating 1000

So this seems right in line with what Steve is saying, right?

The lower rated players are dragging down the average, which is why these players can mess up the legitimate par for 1000 rated players, etc. I would imagine that’s an oversimplification. But the numbers all seem to make sense this way. Thanks folks!

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Cool. Thanks for the link. So from the link.

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64.95, Rating 946.47
58.6, Rating 1000

So this seems right in line with what Steve is saying, right?

The lower rated players are dragging down the average, which is why these players can mess up the legitimate par for 1000 rated players, etc. I would imagine that’s an oversimplification. But the numbers all seem to make sense this way. Thanks folks!
Do you mean that the TD was setting the par for the field, so having more lower rated players in the field would result in softer pars?
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Do you mean that the TD was setting the par for the field, so having more lower rated players in the field would result in softer pars?
Yes... I think. Seems like the assigned par would have been more appropriate for blue or maybe even white level players more so than Gold level pros, right?

It actually looks this is the case for many events that you do these stats for.
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I think the adjustments were mostly driven by making the course safer (which is better).

That's not what was said on the video coverage. Perhaps they got it wrong? Top of the world was modified for safety, but others were modified because? At least one was, "well, iot should have been par 4. The iconic throw that went up the side of the hill was shortened to the base. Not sure why.

Yes to safety, but a lot of the changes had no real explanation.

BTW, how many injuries have there been from throws off top of the world?
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Not "easier" in the sense most people use it. The average score for the prototypical 1000-rated player was 3.002 in 2018 and 3.022 in 2019. Up insignificantly.

There were more 2s and fewer 3s, so you're right that they are less par-3y than they were. (And that a lot were smelling par-2y.) However, the increase in 2s was offset by more 4s and 5s, so the holes were very slightly "harder".

Since the most common score became less common, I'd say it was a net improvement.

(Difficulty in relation to par went down only because they called that one hole a par 4 instead of 3.)
I trust statistics more than most, but 17 of the 24 holes play barely at par 3. And for sue the scores fell way down from last year. Did you include the rain day in your assessment? Because by what I saw, there was a measurable difference between the two days.
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BTW, how many injuries have there been from throws off top of the world?
No idea. Hopefully none. Should they have waited for some before they moved it?
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