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Do you have a person in your area who thinks they can design courses but they can't. What would be a good way to handle this. He already ruined one area course on redesign. Luckily we were able to get in front of him on the latest course and put in a championship course. Unfortunately and fortunately we have two new parks looking to build courses. The person seems to have no job so he has tons of time. What's the best way to make sure he doesn't design anymore without being a dick
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Old 10-12-2013, 08:15 PM
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Tell him he sucks at designing courses and to quit. Maybe Facebook him, email or face to face. Really its the best thing for everyone elses sake not to have bad designed courses.
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Old 10-12-2013, 08:16 PM
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You could always try talking to him about it.
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Old 10-12-2013, 08:47 PM
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Show the decision makers for the new courses how crappy his existing course is, then show them your championship course. Make them go to both places, make them speak with people who have played both courses. If these are publicly funded courses, the decision makers have a stewardship obligation to the public to spend the money wisely.
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Old 10-12-2013, 08:51 PM
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When dealing with customers, calling attention to another person/competitor's inadequacies really only serves to take credibility away from the entire industry (regardless of industry) You should never bad mouth a competitor to a customer, but thats just sales 101.

The best thing to do is meet with him, have a discussion and see if he would like to be "part of the team" that designs one or both of the courses. Then, when he has a bad idea just let him know that he was out-voted by the rest of the team and that you're going a different direction.

Better to keep him as an ally than turn him into an enemy
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Old 10-12-2013, 09:29 PM
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Gotcha on the team thing just not real good dealing with him. And while I've designed some courses I'm not doing any more for free. I personally don't want to design at least one of the courses. The talking thing has been done. I personally have spoken to him about what I feel where some design flaws. Some of it is personal philosophy and part is unacceptable standards as far as tee pads, and course completeness. He was some what part of a team in that we let him show up and tried to teach him some design ideas and show him some of hocks articles etc... But he seems to lack intelligence. Also he whined about not being on course sign as designer when only the lead designer is in the sign. Oh we'll really I don't want to battle about it, but I want quality courses no matter the skill level they are intended for
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When dealing with customers, calling attention to another person/competitor's inadequacies really only serves to take credibility away from the entire industry (regardless of industry) You should never bad mouth a competitor to a customer, but thats just sales 101.

The best thing to do is meet with him, have a discussion and see if he would like to be "part of the team" that designs one or both of the courses. Then, when he has a bad idea just let him know that he was out-voted by the rest of the team and that you're going a different direction.

Better to keep him as an ally than turn him into an enemy
When I suggested taking the decision makers to the course designed by the guy with the lesser talent, I didn't mean point out the flaws directly, but to just show the DM's the two different courses and let them draw their own conclusions. Sorry I was not clear on that point. I've been in sales for 35 years.I never bad mouth a competitor to a customer, but I always attempt to show the customer the differences between them and us so they can draw their own conclusions.
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Mention your concerns to those who want the course built. Have them ask for detailed plans for the course design. Include an estimate for materials and labor costs. If his plans can stand side by side with other plans than he deserves a shot, but if his coffee stained crayon drawings are low on information and full of straight lines and an X for the basket, maybe it will become obvious that he has no business designing a course.
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Mention your concerns to those who want the course built. Have them ask for detailed plans for the course design. Include an estimate for materials and labor costs. If his plans can stand side by side with other plans than he deserves a shot, but if his coffee stained crayon drawings are low on information and full of straight lines and an X for the basket, maybe it will become obvious that he has no business designing a course.
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If he's as poor a designer as you say he is he is probably a poor organizer, planner and sales person as well. The trick would be for your group or designer to present their own professional looking detailed plans, drawings, with facts and figures to the parks dept(s). They should be able to determine pretty quickly who knows what they are doing and who the immature is.
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