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Old 07-28-2010, 02:29 PM
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I saw this over at the World's coverage at pdga.com

"Avery Jenkins hit a 175 foot approach to score an eagle 2 on the 510' pro par four 3rd hole on the Gold course! "

Is this a TD decision or how is this determined? For instance, at Cliff Stephens hole 1 is a par 3 at 535 and hole 18 is a par 3 at just under 700 with OB left, water/OB right and trees. Should I start counting those as par 4?
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Old 07-28-2010, 02:30 PM
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usually you just play it as the sign says
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Old 07-28-2010, 02:45 PM
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Signs in our county are iffy. We have old, old signs at several of these parks that sometimes say a 300 foot hole is a par 4 but in a tournament they are 3's. Sometimes there is no sign at all. I am thinking it is probably played as a par 3 in the Moccasin Lake Open so that is probably the answer. I was just curious what the process is on determining this for something like the worlds. Inconsistency doesn't bother me as long as I can expect it to be that way. It would seem at the worlds a 500 foot hole would still be a par 3. So course precedent takes the lead? Or the TD?
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Old 07-28-2010, 03:12 PM
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The PDGA has a set of criteria it recommends for evaluating par, based on hole length, foliage, the number of intended drives before putting, and player skill level (i.e. red, white, blue, or gold). Basically, it comes down to who the course is being designed for. For reference, here is that document from the PDGA:

http://www.pdga.com/files/documents/ParGuidelines.pdf

As a quick rule of thumb, if the hole is mostly open (and doesn't have a big dog-leg or forced direction change) with no elevation change, anything less than 600ft. at the pro (gold) level should be a par 3.
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Old 07-28-2010, 03:15 PM
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Thanks...that's really helpful.
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Well my question is, did anyone else card a two on that hole? If a lot of other guys did then it should be a par 3, but if not then avery was just ballin
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I saw this over at the World's coverage at pdga.com

"Avery Jenkins hit a 175 foot approach to score an eagle 2 on the 510' pro par four 3rd hole on the Gold course! "

Is this a TD decision or how is this determined? For instance, at Cliff Stephens hole 1 is a par 3 at 535 and hole 18 is a par 3 at just under 700 with OB left, water/OB right and trees. Should I start counting those as par 4?
Just to add to the above post a little, what level of player would you consider yourself? Me, I can typically sit within a throw or two either way of even on most blue-level courses, so that's what I play courses as. That means if I'm looking at that 535ft. hole, unless it has a significant downhill elevation change it's really not a par 3 at the blue level. At the gold level, though, that par 3 might be totally fair. That hole 18, though, again without significant downhill elevation even at the gold level is really too long to be a par 3. Even top distance pros aren't likely to ever score a birdie there except with a tremendous amount of luck on a 200ft. approach shot.
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Whatever the sign says the pro par is, that is what it is
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Just to add to the above post a little, what level of player would you consider yourself? Me, I can typically sit within a throw or two either way of even on most blue-level courses, so that's what I play courses as. That means if I'm looking at that 535ft. hole, unless it has a significant downhill elevation change it's really not a par 3 at the blue level. At the gold level, though, that par 3 might be totally fair. That hole 18, though, again without significant downhill elevation even at the gold level is really too long to be a par 3. Even top distance pros aren't likely to ever score a birdie there except with a tremendous amount of luck on a 200ft. approach shot.
This is really helpful to me. Sounds like I should play the 535 as a par 3 and the 695 as a 4. The 535 has trees to the right at around 380 that extend down the fairway to around 450 that block a lot of good lines. So it is a tough 3. The 695 is flat. I have only known of a couple of birdies, all but one were big rollers. GG birdied it was a 660ft air shot with a pro wraith. Other than that the pros are going to be getting lots 3's and if they hit the early trees (not too likely for them), 4s.
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The winner is still the guy with the lowest overall score right?
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