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Old 06-20-2019, 11:38 AM
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Haha yeah that's exactly why I made this thread...I felt stupid for not doing it right even though it was in all the videos too. So I figured others probably had the same issue. Glad it is working, that sounds like a good way to think about it (continuing to push with rear leg while reaching back).
Can you explain what you mean by "continuing to push with rear leg"? Do you mean, push the leg DOWN into your rear foot and ground? Do you mean, push your leg back, away from the target? What exactly do you mean here? I see lots of people talking about this great idea, but not quite sure I understand from the words being used to describe it. Thanks
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Old 06-20-2019, 12:07 PM
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Can you explain what you mean by "continuing to push with rear leg"? Do you mean, push the leg DOWN into your rear foot and ground? Do you mean, push your leg back, away from the target? What exactly do you mean here? I see lots of people talking about this great idea, but not quite sure I understand from the words being used to describe it. Thanks
I think the most standalone drills to feel this feeling are in the Door Frame Drill, as well as all the talk about the Hogan "power move". The Butt Wipe drill that SW has goes with this.

Using the rear foot's instep to push the rear leg and rear hip closer to the target. As in the left butt in a disc golf swing gets closer to the target being leveraged from the rear leg/instep.

It feels targetward, not up or down to me. And by turning the butt backwards yet getting closer to the target, the upper body is also turning away from the target at the same time so the backswing is being extended or helped.

So concentrating on not just the upper body to turn away from the target, but getting the lower body both closer to the target and turning away from the target more, yet simultaneously.

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Old 06-20-2019, 12:30 PM
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I think the most standalone drills to feel this feeling are in the Door Frame Drill, as well as all the talk about the Hogan "power move". The Butt Wipe drill that SW has goes with this.

Using the rear foot's instep to push the rear leg and rear hip closer to the target. As in the left butt in a disc golf swing gets closer to the target being leveraged from the rear leg/instep.

It feels targetward, not up or down to me. And by turning the butt backwards yet getting closer to the target, the upper body is also turning away from the target at the same time so the backswing is being extended or helped.

So concentrating on not just the upper body to turn away from the target, but getting the lower body both closer to the target and turning away from the target more, yet simultaneously.
To clarify, your momentum should be gliding over the left foot. So this push from the left instep doesn't add forward momentum but rather sets up the lower body to be in proper position for the forward swing, correct?

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Old 06-20-2019, 12:36 PM
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To clarify, your momentum should be gliding over the left foot. So this push from the left instep doesn't add forward momentum but rather sets up the lower body to be in proper position for the forward swing, correct?
Yes that's right...in a standstill throw I feel way more torque from the rear leg directing the hip like that, and it feels much more flowy in an X-step because your momentum is carrying your body down the teepad.

I should have used the word leverage from the rear leg perhaps, as it's not a sudden or impacting "push" feel at all.

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Old 06-21-2019, 03:24 AM
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I should have used the word leverage from the rear leg perhaps, as it's not a sudden or impacting "push" feel at all.
I used to say push. I wish I hadn't now, it gives the wrong idea to people. You're just trying to de - weight that back leg at the same time as moving the lower body targetwards. Instead of de weight and spinning round. Unfortunately that's a load of words without any real visual meaning to them. I've never either come up with or seen good wording for this move that makes sense to people. I'd like to hear some!

Conversely I suspect this is where BW's current stuff is going to lead people to miss this move as everything I read from him makes me think people are going to end up planting and spinning rather than plant, de-weight/shift, then rotate.....as a by product of the move.

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Old 06-21-2019, 06:33 AM
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I used to say push. I wish I hadn't now, it gives the wrong idea to people. You're just trying to de - weight that back leg at the same time as moving the lower body targetwards. Instead of de weight and spinning round. Unfortunately that's a load of words without any real visual meaning to them. I've never either come up with or seen good wording for this move that makes sense to people. I'd like to hear some!

Conversely I suspect this is where BW's current stuff is going to lead people to miss this move as everything I read from him makes me think people are going to end up planting and spinning rather than plant, de-weight/shift, then rotate.....as a by product of the move.
I think this struggle is going on in every single sport. How to describe the "move", everyone explains it bit differently, yet all mean the same thing.

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Old 06-21-2019, 12:13 PM
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I think this struggle is going on in every single sport. How to describe the "move", everyone explains it bit differently, yet all mean the same thing.
Yeah, it just took me the first time to feel it with one throwing direction...then it was simpler to understand in BH/FH, putts, also baseball swings and every single sport like you said.

Whatever way it clicks for someone the first time, they can then apply it to every athletic motion if they really understand it.
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Old 06-21-2019, 02:17 PM
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It is simply part of the weight shift. I think you want 90-100% of weight on front foot on release and pushing off is how you get there. Just make sure you shift your weight on to your front foot instead of past it (my biggest issue).
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I think this struggle is going on in every single sport. How to describe the "move", everyone explains it bit differently, yet all mean the same thing.
The struggle is real trying to explain the extremely dynamic motion of things in a relatable way to everyone. We all have our own "feels/perceptions that ain't always real" and that can often lead to a lot of confusion.

At least we hope it all means the same thing. Sometimes the intention gets lost or misunderstood and the byproducts are being taught.
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also baseball swings

I’ve been reading this entire thread that started in 2017 waiting to see if someone would compare the weight shift to a baseball swing. In regards to just the ‘feeling’ of the lower body weight shift from rear side to front side, do you guys feel like it’s an accurate comparison?
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