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Old 01-10-2019, 05:27 PM
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You described a Tyrant, but I don’t think there is anyone selling them ATM.
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Old 01-10-2019, 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Moose33 View Post
You described a Tyrant, but I don’t think there is anyone selling them ATM.
Either that or if it is really short maybe a Stego.
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Old 01-10-2019, 06:19 PM
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Brinster teebird, but I’ve seen them get a little pricey lately for whatever reason.

Edit: here is a reasonably priced one: https://www.throwerschoice.com/produ...ampion-teebird

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Old 01-10-2019, 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by slowplastic View Post
For me a FAF Firebird is a very short disc. I can throw mids and putters farther than it no problem, so you essentially have to go insanely OS like the Firebird and slower to get the same thing but less distance.

The Justice is the only disc I have thrown that is in that realm of stability but significantly shorter, however it is shaped like a midrange. I have not thrown a Resistor or Banshee.
I agree. I've never even attempted max distance with this FAF Star FB,(except thumbers) but I wouldn't be surprised if I couldn't get it to 300'. I can get a regular Star FB to 300' easily, and 350' if I really crank on one- especially with some height and anhyzer.

And as you said, a Justice can do Firebird things but shorter. I have to throw them about as hard as I can to get them to 275'.

What I'm looking for is something that I can throw a "normal, full throw" and get about 260'-280' without having to worry about turning it over in wind or on my sloppier days. A normal full throw with a normal Firebird would go past that sometimes. A normal full throw with a Justice doesn't consistently get there. A Resistor is probably the answer. But I was just hoping maybe there are Star Teebirds, Eagles, or Teebird3's out there that might be freakishly FAF/overstable like the freakishly FAF Firebird I have.
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Old 01-10-2019, 06:44 PM
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Ok, I see where you're at. That's a tricky spot. I've thrown very OS metal flake Teebird 3's that would take powering down to 275' with a consistent flight...they wouldn't get dumpy like a powered down FB but they wouldn't also overglide like a normal Teebird would in that range. That's an iffy suggestion though because I don't know how fast it'd pick up glide, and I do think it would fly at least as far as an FAF Firebird at the same power input...just it would power down more predictably.

I use a Zone for that shot for myself...if I throw it firmly I know it's about 270' for me, but it's not as insanely OS as a Justice that it will meathook on you if you let up on it at all, and it is clearly a distance class below the Firebird for me. I've never had a Zone show any turn for me ever, but at the same time it won't slice through wind like a fairway or control driver shape will, so it will definitely lose some predictability when throwing it hard in heavy wind. Honestly though when it's 15+MPH I'll generally just throw a Firebird for my midrange shots anyways.

Really though I don't think any of those are perfect suggestions for what you want, and I've never tried the Resistor. But I do prefer the Zone over the Justice in my bag, since I can power it down and still predict it, yet never worry about it flipping. If I needed more trick shots like a short range power skipper or something that would flex out of any approach line then I can see the advantages of the Justice's stupid stability, but as an actual thrower I don't like how hard it requires to be thrown.

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Old 01-10-2019, 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by icebat View Post
I'm not really sure, but I've heard the same. Just sounded like exactly what you're describing. I've also heard the Millennium EXP-X to be recommended as a good banshee replacement, but I don't believe those are available in star either.
This is what I've used to replace my flat Banshee. It's alright, alright, alright. The luster Quantum plastic doesn't feel like a very Champy Champ so it might not feel too off if you're used to Star. Everybody's hands are different though.

I still want flat Banshees to come back though.

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Old 01-11-2019, 10:48 AM
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Yeah I'd say check out an MVP Resistor . Or some runs of the Tour Series Color Glow TEEBIRDS are pretty darn flat, like the Jen Allen ones? I think - but yeah those are my 2 recommendations

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Old 01-11-2019, 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by jjmiller View Post
It is my understanding that Banshees are never flat anymore. Is this incorrect? Also, they don't come in Star plastic, which I would strongly prefer if possible...
I've never seen a flat Banshee in the wild except for the one I picked up that's like 148g.

There are not a lot of options for slower FAF firebird - the easiest to get a hold of consistently is probably a Resistor.

I was looking for something similar for a while, and determined that a flat Spark would do the trick too.
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^ Yeah or some Teebird3's are pretty flat a nicely OS - My Fav it an early Glow Champ - but the newer T3's almost have slight dome and aren't as OS so....idk....check out that REsistor tho
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Old 01-12-2019, 09:30 PM
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You are looking for a 175g 11x Eagle X mold.

Board flat, they turn but fade hard. They all fly the same and all are beefy. Although I just had one crack in 45 degree weather.

Right now I have like 4 or so X-Outs that I am pretty sure are late 11x or 12x PFN and I don't think they'll crack. Faf, gummy, but not as brittle. They are far, far more overstable than my true 11x's.

If you throw a faf, flat, it goes laser straight then dump fades. Also, I think Eagles feel similar to firebirds, but teebirds are a whole different animal. In my opinion Teebirds are far less forgiving and predictable, especially for windy days.

Once you get used to eagles you'll find it replacing mids. They can do so many different lines depending on the angle of release. I love anny flexs thrown lightly on for weird 250-330ft approaches/holes. I only have a 10 disc bag and 2-3 of my discs are beat in eagles in various stages.

Whippets are amazing, but they have far different uses, and I have never seen, nor want to see, a faf whippet. The dome makes it amazing for trick shots, rollers, skips, and other goofy as hell things.

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