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Claiming to have the biggest purse so that you can pay out to 90th place or whatever without making top ten cash heavy also seems pretty gimmicky to me.
What are you talking about?

Last year, 81 got paid in MPO. Standard PDGA pay table for 45% of a field of 176 players would pay 80 players. There was a 6-way tie for 76th, hence 81 paid. So they didn't pay any extra players compared to pretty much every other PDGA event.

If you take the purse they paid out to MPO ($79,694) and plug that into the PDGA payout calculator for 176 total players, the exact payouts to the top ten (no rounding, no playing with the amounts) would have been: $6284, 4164, 3273, 2759, 2417, 2169, 1979, 1829, 1705, 1602. The actual payouts at last year's Ledgestone: $7000, 4600, 3600, 3000, 2600, 2200, 2200, 2000, 1850, 1850. Last cash (T76th) was $230. Per the standard table, that should have $394.

Looks like they did distribute the cash disproportionately to the top ten rather than push the cash further down than what would be normal. You have it 100% backwards.
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Old 06-17-2019, 03:02 PM
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I guess. It still feels like a disc golf course. Throwing over a baseball diamond, bouncing off a water tower, that doesn't seem much like disc golf to me.
Thats what happens when you dont have the pros play the best course in the area, McNaughton (subjective). Ledgestone was fun when it was McNaughton and not circus North woods.

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Old 06-17-2019, 03:18 PM
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Claiming to have the biggest purse so that you can pay out to 90th place or whatever without making top ten cash heavy also seems pretty gimmicky to me. But at least Ams get a backpack in their player's pack.
That is insane. You won't hear one Pro complaining about payouts at LIS. Total purse of over $102,000 last year. LIS payouts are by far the best. Just checkout last years payouts to some of the current events this year. USDGC had a payout of $70,000 last year.
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Thats what happens when you dont have the pros play the best course in the area, McNaughton (subjective). Ledgestone was fun when it was McNaughton and not circus North woods.
"circus" Northwood? Not sure what you mean. I haven't played McNaughton but thought Northwood was a very good course.
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I guess. It still feels like a disc golf course. Throwing over a baseball diamond, bouncing off a water tower, that doesn't seem much like disc golf to me.
If the baseball field was a pond, or the water tower a huge tree would that remove the whole gimmicky aspect?

Because that's how they play.

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"circus" Northwood? Not sure what you mean. I haven't played McNaughton but thought Northwood was a very good course.
That would be when they just threw a bunch of unnatural OB everywhere with stroke and distance I think. I cant remember now exactly what it was but i remember watching it and just thinking, man this is stupid. But I agree, Northwood is a very good course minus what I said.
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That would be when they just threw a bunch of unnatural OB everywhere with stroke and distance I think. I cant remember now exactly what it was but i remember watching it and just thinking, man this is stupid. But I agree, Northwood is a very good course minus what I said.
Are they using Northwood for Worlds?
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Are they using Northwood for Worlds?
Yes. Apparently it's been re-designed to some extent to make it more of a true Gold course. MPO will not be playing it this weekend. It's the MA1 course for the Ledgestone.

There does seem to be some name confusion going on in the thread. The course with the baseball field and the water tower and all the roped OB is Lake Eureka, not Northwood.

I don't know anything about any of these courses other than what I've seen on video from past Ledgestones. Eureka as it exists now is a worthy course for Worlds. Sounds like Northwood Gold is as well though that's only the word of a couple people that played a warm-up event last month. McNaughton might be a nice course but it doesn't strike me as a Gold level course good for MPO at this level. Not if it is being used as the MA3 course for the Ledgestone. Maybe it has longer tees or pin placements that aren't being used for the event, but something doesn't compute for me when people suggest Ledgestone would be better if MPO played there.

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I played Northwood gold today (minus the few pads that they finished putting in today) and it will be an excellent compliment to Lake Eureka. Lots of tight lines with natural OB. Most of the "open" holes still have lines/ceilings to hit. You'll probably only see a few spike hyzers. Other than the occasional OB road or fence (which don't come into play) I think there were only two "unnatural" OB lines. One was there because if you went looking for your disc in the rough, you'd fall down a cliff you didn't know was there. The other was an island hole, but I would only expect an MPO player to lay up unless playing for position.

I saw the old pads for the old Northwood course. The new additions add a lot of challenge.
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What are you talking about?

Last year, 81 got paid in MPO. Standard PDGA pay table for 45% of a field of 176 players would pay 80 players. There was a 6-way tie for 76th, hence 81 paid. So they didn't pay any extra players compared to pretty much every other PDGA event.

If you take the purse they paid out to MPO ($79,694) and plug that into the PDGA payout calculator for 176 total players, the exact payouts to the top ten (no rounding, no playing with the amounts) would have been: $6284, 4164, 3273, 2759, 2417, 2169, 1979, 1829, 1705, 1602. The actual payouts at last year's Ledgestone: $7000, 4600, 3600, 3000, 2600, 2200, 2200, 2000, 1850, 1850. Last cash (T76th) was $230. Per the standard table, that should have $394.

Looks like they did distribute the cash disproportionately to the top ten rather than push the cash further down than what would be normal. You have it 100% backwards.

My pet peeve is events that rob the bottom players to boost the top payout.



However, it appears the math above is off a little. When I put the MPO purse into the large event payout calculator (I got $79,964 total) and set payout 45%, the last place paid is 78th. Since 6 tied for 76th place, the six players have to split the last cash which is $1,430. Divided by 6, the last place cashers should have received $238.00 each. This could be fairly rounded to the $230.00 they each received. So 2018 Ledgestone did the payouts correctly and did NOT rob Last Place Peter to pay First Place Paul (aka Nate Sexton).

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