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Old 06-20-2019, 11:08 AM
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His statement is incorrect. You don't have to pass on the correct side of a mando every time you throw. See my above comment and pictures from the rules Q&A.
Yes you do. The mandatory is defined by a line on the incorrect side that one cannot pass. Breaking that plane constitutes missing the mandatory. So if you're on the tee/lie side of the mandatory, even if you've navigated it once before, you still have to navigate again without crossing that mandatory line on the incorrect side.

If I'm understanding the OP correctly, his disc passed on the correct side of the mandatory, hit something and doubled back to the tee/lie side of the mando but did not cross the mandatory line. At that point, he has neither made nor missed the mando and must pass the mandatory obstacle on the correct side in order to proceed.

The applicable diagram for his situation is not any of the ones posted. It is this one, except that his disc performed like the far right disc but ended up where the one of the two on the left side came to rest...


He has to navigate that mandatory properly on his next throw.
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Old 06-20-2019, 11:16 AM
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Just want to add that I find the "string" theory idiotic and it is one of the things that I'm going to try to change as a member of the rules committee. It contradicts the intention of the mandatory rule to allow for any throws to cross the mandatory line. The purpose of the mandatory it to prevent players from throwing through a certain area. It shouldn't matter that the player passed it correctly once already if the player is given a second opportunity to do so.

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Old 06-20-2019, 11:19 AM
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It shouldn't matter that the player passed it correctly once already if the player is given a second opportunity to do so.


Exactly.

Imagine a park system saying "you can't throw over this shelter" and a mando is put up to prevent that and then someone curls around a mando and is now able, per rule to go over this shelter.
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Old 06-20-2019, 11:21 AM
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i drew it up for those visual learners
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Old 06-20-2019, 11:28 AM
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deleted for reading comprehension a>b>c

Last edited by chevis; 06-20-2019 at 11:31 AM. Reason: reading it upsidedown
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Old 06-20-2019, 11:45 AM
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i drew it up for those visual learners
Please add the tee and target.
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Old 06-20-2019, 11:51 AM
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Please add the tee and target.
i followed the format of those pdga diagrams, but mine is upside down (throw coming down from top)
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Old 06-20-2019, 12:06 PM
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i followed the format of those pdga diagrams, but mine is upside down (throw coming down from top)
OK, thanks. In that case JC17393 is correct that you still need to go to the correct side of the mando. The rules do not conflict themselves in this particular situation.

Note also that because the bad side of the mando line is on your way, the line of play for marking and such goes toward the mando, not the target.
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Old 06-20-2019, 12:22 PM
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Citing the rule (emphasis on the relevant part):
804.2B
A throw has missed a mandatory if, from the direction of the previous lie, it completely crosses a mandatory line and comes to rest without coming back across the line (a throw or sequence of throws that crosses the line in both directions is considered not to have crossed the line).


It makes no difference how the disc arrived at its location, if it lies on the away side of the mando line, the mando still needs to be made.

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Old 06-20-2019, 01:13 PM
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Thanks Chris but it's still not the right diagram.. It needs to hook back over the mando line..
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