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Old 12-16-2018, 04:47 PM
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Could this happen, instead of using a rating system for the AM divisions could a cap be put on how many times one wins in a division?. An example would be if one wins 5 times in the rec division then they move up to the next division where after they win 10 times then they move up too advance. Once there then that's their choice what to do next. I think the rec division is a learning ground to learn how to handle pressure and develop your game not really a place for people who have won many times and played for a number of years.
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Old 12-16-2018, 05:16 PM
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Meh, bagging happens. The skill gap can be quite large between rec and am in some places. In other places the gap is small, and sometimes the guy that wins rec shoots better than half the am field. No change needed in my opinion, but I see where you are going with the idea.
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Old 12-16-2018, 05:19 PM
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Could this happen, instead of using a rating system for the AM divisions could a cap be put on how many times one wins in a division?. An example would be if one wins 5 times in the rec division then they move up to the next division where after they win 10 times then they move up too advance. Once there then that's their choice what to do next. I think the rec division is a learning ground to learn how to handle pressure and develop your game not really a place for people who have won many times and played for a number of years.
Not a chance this will happen and it certainly isn't better than the current system. For one, Rec is not the lowest division available so it isn't a "learning ground" any more than every other division is. Second, wins are a terrible metric for determining whether a player is improving or not, especially in the lowest divisions where there is such a wide array of skill levels and a lot of inconsistency in who shows up at any given event.

If a consistently rated 860 player plays Rec and beats a 790 rated player and a couple of newbs, does that signal he might be ready for Intermediate or that the tournament ought to have offered a Novice division? What if that player wins five tournaments in a similar manner but has zero wins in a sizeable Rec division when any other 850-890 rated players show up? Ready to move up or just fortunate to play a few events with a weak field? Same question except change the division to Intermediate and the ratings to 905 and 900-930 rated players.

Not all wins are the same and can't be counted as equal.

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Old 12-16-2018, 05:22 PM
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The problem with a wins cap, is that not all areas are the same. I know guys who played rec for a couple years and only have 1 or 2 wins(one guy didn't have any) but now are over 900. In other areas, guys play INT at 870 and the guys getting wins in rec are shooting 850s...

Ive said it before, they just need to drop the ratings cap about 25-30pts for REC and 10-20 for INT.

EDIT novice should also be dropped to under 800 or 825.

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EDIT novice should also be dropped to under 800 or 825.
When we ran Am IV as an experimental option before the PDGA adopted it, we use 825 as the cap. But at that time Am III also had a cap of 875.

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When we ran Am IV as an experimental option before the PDGA adopted it, we use 825 as the cap. But at that time Am III also had a cap of 875.
I've played a lot of rec events in the last 5ish years and have been stuck in the 865-880 ratings range for nearly all of that time. In my experience, there is a bump up in ability around 870-880 that just separated those players from the ones under that range. They belong in the same division as the people 900-910 much more than with 850-865. I would imagine there is a similar bump in that 815-830 range where those guys should be with the 850ish more than with the guys below them.

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Not all wins are the same and can't be counted as equal.
Many "wins" in the protected divisions come because they are the only competitor.

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Many "wins" in the protected divisions come because they are the only competitor.
True. I just figured I'd give the benefit of the doubt that "wins" would be qualified as coming in competitive divisions of at least four, since TDs are under no obligation to host divisions with fewer than that.
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A bump system also has a disparate effect on the guys who play every weekend---sooner or later, they're going to amass some wins---as opposed to an equally-skilled player who only plays 4 events a year.

Another cure in search of a disease.

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What the OP suggests is usually handled with peer pressure.

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