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Old 11-20-2014, 05:34 PM
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Advanced players don't have a ratings cap. But anyways. When you play in a tourny your information is put up on the pdga. So the pdga should give td's the ability to search for unregistered players names and a rating.
Generally speaking, all the PDGA gets is a non-member's name. Tough to maintain an accurate database with just that. I mean, how do you identify Joe Smith the non-member registered in your tournament from among the 337 Joe Smiths who've ever played PDGA events?

Like DavidSauls notes, non-member players at an event generally fall into two categories: first time players and repeat players. If they're first time tourney players, trust them to be honest about their skill. If they're wrong, it's only going to happen once and then they have a track record to prevent any possible bagging in the future. Of the players that have played tournaments before, it shouldn't be difficult to get some sort of a book on them and place them in the most appropriate division based on past performance (which is what a rating does).

Chances are players with a track record know where they should be and play there. Those that try to "bag" will stand out and if they're not members, they don't have much of a leg to stand on if the TD decides they have to play MA1 or higher. They have three choices at that point: don't play, play where the TD allows, or buy a membership and play where they want. If they go with option 3 and join the PDGA, they'll have a rating after that event and if they really were "bagging", those days will be at an end.

But in truth, this "problem" is all a myth. This thread and threads like it keep rehashing the same old stuff and always lack in one thing...actual concrete examples of this supposed epidemic of sandbagging that needs to be addressed. So let's see them...let's see a link to an event where someone actually got away with it. Where sandbagging was actually "tolerated".
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Old 11-20-2014, 05:40 PM
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True. Or they misspell your name every tournament.
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Old 11-20-2014, 07:20 PM
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sandbagging 101
http://www.pdga.com/tour/event/14711
look at the top score in advanced and look at the top score in intermediate with the point difference...

three people clapped when the intermediate "champion" went to collect his "win" class act...
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Old 11-20-2014, 07:45 PM
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Lol wow 10 stroke lead
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Lol wow 10 stroke lead
Friend of yours....?
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sandbagging 101
http://www.pdga.com/tour/event/14711
look at the top score in advanced and look at the top score in intermediate with the point difference...

three people clapped when the intermediate "champion" went to collect his "win" class act...
NOT.

A 900-rated player, playing Intermediate, absolutely cannot be sandbagging. A 900-rated player with 2 career wins, shooting 960 rated rounds is playing way over his head.

Unless you know something about him, beyond this tournament result.
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Old 11-20-2014, 08:02 PM
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By the way, it's apparent from the round ratings in that tournament that the Intermediates didn't play the same tees or layout as the Advanced players, so comparing their scores is meaningless. Looks like his rating would have placed him about 13th in Advanced---and that's averaging 50 points over his norm.

For what it's worth, I'm a 900 rated player and a terrible one, too, as everyone in South Carolina, and all visitors to Stoney Hill, can attest. A few years ago I shot a couple of 970+ rated rounds in a tournament. Which proved nothing.

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sandbagging 101
http://www.pdga.com/tour/event/14711
look at the top score in advanced and look at the top score in intermediate with the point difference...

three people clapped when the intermediate "champion" went to collect his "win" class act...
As addressed, a 900 rated player shooting hot is not sandbagging.

The problem with that tournament isn't sandbagging. The problem is they didn't offer Rec (and probably novice too), as probably 75% of the intermediate players should have been in a lower division.
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As addressed, a 900 rated player shooting hot is not sandbagging.

The problem with that tournament isn't sandbagging. The problem is they didn't offer Rec (and probably novice too), as probably 75% of the intermediate players should have been in a lower division.
And...

75% of the advanced should have been in intermediate (at least those with ratings).
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Old 11-20-2014, 09:26 PM
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75% of the advanced should have been in intermediate (at least those with ratings).
That's a good point in this discussion. If the intermediate rated players were playing in the correct division, dude would have had some competition... more like a case of anti-sandbagging.

The only way this would be "sandbagging" is if you could show me this dude had previously a higher rating for a while before this tourney, then bombed a few tourneys before this one to lower his rating to 900 just to get in the intermediate division for this tourney... doesn't seem likely, or possible even.
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