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Old 08-29-2019, 03:28 PM
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I think the whole swing plane isn't flat was the first domino to fall in the last month or so of breakthroughs I've had, that enabled me to free up my body positions to flow through the throw better.
It's crazy to me how you can go from this:



To throwing a shot that is on a totally different trajectory than your forearm. But kind of goes to show you that as long as the hitpoint is on the correct trajectory then it doesn't matter how you get there and (borrowing from Sean Clement) as long as you give your brain the right task it will automatically correct. And this disc rising isn't unique to you, I believe I see some pros throwing like that as well.
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Old 08-29-2019, 05:49 PM
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It's crazy to me how you can go from this:

To throwing a shot that is on a totally different trajectory than your forearm. But kind of goes to show you that as long as the hitpoint is on the correct trajectory then it doesn't matter how you get there
Yeah I really want to get that rising out of my form, I think I need to get more space to swing and wait longer before accelerating with my shoulders.

But here's the hit point from that same throw.

It's that swing plane isn't flat thing that opened it up to me. As long as I pull my shoulders through to get to the hit point where the opposite edge of the disc becomes the nose, that's what I aim for. And I know I'll get through that point and with a clean torque-free release, and nose down. It's very freeing once you feel where the disc's weight is released, and I'm far less likely to early release or griplock than I ever have been in the past. I'm throwing way more tight gaps on BH lines now, where I used to always go to FH shots if it was reasonable.

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Old 08-29-2019, 06:12 PM
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Also I threw today and tried to work on that hips first thing like SW illustrated. I need to keep at it, it got my head more centered again with some better shoulder turn, but I need to keep working on it as it was only a slight improvement.

X-step behind is feeling more natural to not overstep the left foot, on slow putter shots I am unconsciously doing a little shuffle step instead of getting the left foot around. That tells me I'm just "feeling" better balance and doing things more naturally instead of what I'm "supposed" to do.

One question though, relating to that hand/disc rise thing:

I had one shot today that felt like a pro power level shot, I couldn't quite replicate it again. I threw a Core like 8-10' high on a pure sweeping hyzer, it got out there SUPER fast and hit the ground at 330 skipping big to 350. Basically it acted like a low hard Teebird throw with the line, speed, and skip it had. Normally this disc has -1/1 stability but this thing flew like a straight fairway driver.

It felt like my hand and the disc were farther to my left, away from my body during the swing. I know SW has said that GG gets huge power because he gets the disc separating away from his body. I am bunched up with the disc, which is why it rises up on me.

I just don't know how to aim for this feel of having the disc/hand farther away from my body as I transition from the top of the backswing, towards the launch position. Do I need my right shoulder farther to my left over my feet? Do I actually think about keeping the disc wide away? Or do I just need to wait longer to use the torso to swing, so I don't pull the disc forward too soon/much causing that upward pull?
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Old 08-29-2019, 07:23 PM
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I think it's more a matter of your balance/posture and how your right foot is going to the left away from you instead of underneath you, so that move is putting your shoulder inside instead of outside. See how balanced and relaxed Avery is with neutral legs hanging from the hips basically just standing upright. You are pigeon toed and really turning/tipping into your rear leg and restricted. Turn your rear foot back. When I try to get into your position here both my hips feel extremely tight and locked up. Should be totally relaxed and neutral and have mobility to swivel going down into the plant like going down half pipe.
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Old 08-29-2019, 07:36 PM
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I think I'm mistaking a good loaded feeling for actually being restricted. I feel way more neutral moving to my left like in a FH shot or righty baseball swing.
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Old 08-29-2019, 08:40 PM
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Also I threw today and tried to work on that hips first thing like SW illustrated. I need to keep at it, it got my head more centered again with some better shoulder turn, but I need to keep working on it as it was only a slight improvement.

X-step behind is feeling more natural to not overstep the left foot, on slow putter shots I am unconsciously doing a little shuffle step instead of getting the left foot around. That tells me I'm just "feeling" better balance and doing things more naturally instead of what I'm "supposed" to do.

One question though, relating to that hand/disc rise thing:

I had one shot today that felt like a pro power level shot, I couldn't quite replicate it again. I threw a Core like 8-10' high on a pure sweeping hyzer, it got out there SUPER fast and hit the ground at 330 skipping big to 350. Basically it acted like a low hard Teebird throw with the line, speed, and skip it had. Normally this disc has -1/1 stability but this thing flew like a straight fairway driver.

It felt like my hand and the disc were farther to my left, away from my body during the swing. I know SW has said that GG gets huge power because he gets the disc separating away from his body. I am bunched up with the disc, which is why it rises up on me.

I just don't know how to aim for this feel of having the disc/hand farther away from my body as I transition from the top of the backswing, towards the launch position. Do I need my right shoulder farther to my left over my feet? Do I actually think about keeping the disc wide away? Or do I just need to wait longer to use the torso to swing, so I don't pull the disc forward too soon/much causing that upward pull?
I think its just waiting a little longer and probably what SW22 is saying with the weight going more targetward instead of right to left. I know when I've had my best throws it feels like I'm not even trying to turn towards the target, I just focus almost on staying in one place and my head looking to the left of the teepad until the force of the swing opens everything up.

Maybe just practicing a super wide reachback will let you feel what you need to feel to not get your shoulder jammed up.

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I think I'm mistaking a good loaded feeling for actually being restricted. I feel way more neutral moving to my left like in a FH shot or righty baseball swing.
I think the foot stills moves to the left, but you can't let the butt also move to the left, the butt has to keep moving targetward else you end up compensating somewhere to stay balanced. Maybe that makes sense, maybe I'm crazy.

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Old 08-29-2019, 09:41 PM
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I really think it'll be the feet/balance/stride thing like SW is saying. I've had this disc going up thing for years and nothing I can do fixes it, no matter how much I try to concentrate on it. So it's fundamental balance leading into it I'm sure. I can't just put my shoulder to the left farther or else I drift more left and jam myself up...and I'm really trying to stride straight or to my right but obviously I'm pre-twisted a bit and can't do that perfectly.

This image really shows that many pro's have their striding foot so neutral or even open as the feet separate. I'll just practice striding and moving like this a bit to get it feeling natural instead of trying to be all coiled and loaded up as I step behind.

Overall from all my form tweaks I've learned if you think something might look off at all, then it's definitely off. And the cause to the problem is likely 2-3 steps before it in your sequence.

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Old 08-29-2019, 09:44 PM
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I think the foot stills moves to the left, but you can't let the butt also move to the left, the butt has to keep moving targetward else you end up compensating somewhere to stay balanced. Maybe that makes sense, maybe I'm crazy.
I was meaning doing athletic weight shift moving from right leg to planting on my left leg. Like throwing a ball righty, or a RHFH drive or swinging a baseball bat/golf club. I've done this motion since I was super young so those directions just feel natural. I have put like 5-10% the effort into throwing FH shots and I can throw 380' golf lines that way and 400' or a bit over with height/full flight...yet BH has taken revision after revision every step of the way. FH needed a few major changes and breakthroughs but it's felt pretty natural for how to approach it.

I definitely have power/form to gain in FH and in all sports moving that way, but it just feels more normal to me.

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Old 08-30-2019, 11:46 AM
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This image really shows that many pro's have their striding foot so neutral or even open as the feet separate. I'll just practice striding and moving like this a bit to get it feeling natural instead of trying to be all coiled and loaded up as I step behind.

Overall from all my form tweaks I've learned if you think something might look off at all, then it's definitely off. And the cause to the problem is likely 2-3 steps before it in your sequence.
This is where I have been for the past 24-48 hours!! Dating back to some of my earliest form/critique videos, I began to plant more and more closed. Not because anyone was directly telling me to plant more closed, but because I thought that's what I needed to do in order to catch my weight, butt to target, shift from behind...etc.

After watching and going through SW's swim move video, it really stood out just how open/unrestrictive his front foot plants. My hip has ALWAYS felt restricted after I plant. Until just now, my thought was that the "restriction" I was feeling, was some type of load. And thought that my hips weren't clearing because of how I was moving After I planted.

Now I'm wondering if this is why I continue to jam and/or spin out. Standing in my office it is a much different/freeing feeling planting more neutral than severally closed.

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Old 08-30-2019, 11:51 AM
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Now I'm wondering if this is why I continue to jam and/or spin out. Standing in my office it is a much different/freeing feeling planting more neutral than severally closed.
Also keep in mind that if you stride slightly right to left on the teepad to throw "straight" down the intended teepad alignment, and plant with your foot neutral or even 10 degrees open to your own perspective, it will look closed on the teepad if a picture were taken at plant.

I think I'll approach this as trying to stay very neutral and load back at the end of the weight transfer. That should naturally close me enough. As long as you don't open up as you move forward then it shouldn't be bad.
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