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Old 08-27-2014, 02:11 PM
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Hi All,
Been playing with my girlfriend for several months now. She's having a hard time NOT throwing a big, high hyzer. She throws RHBH, probably 150' or so. Any ideas for things to try to help? If she just relaxes and throws nice and easy it goes flat, but obviously not very far. Normal throws go UP and then make a hard left. She's tried a lightweight valkyrie and a buzzz mainly and a few throws with others, but the disc doesn't seem to matter much. She's getting frustrated lately that things aren't getting better.

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Old 08-27-2014, 02:14 PM
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tell her to try to punch the target with her right shoulder
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Old 08-27-2014, 02:22 PM
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she's throwing nose up. This has to do mostly with hand flexibility and grip strength and orientation.

https://www.dgcoursereview.com/dgr/r...ttoripit.shtml

that is a very good source for grip information. also for flexibility look around on guitar sites for "fret hand flexibility exercises". I used those when I attempted to play guitar oh so many years ago. they work.

and since it's your special lady friend we're talking about, don't put a lot of pressure on her. don't make dg a wedge in your relationship.
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Old 08-27-2014, 02:45 PM
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Cool, thanks!
She's the stubborn one that is getting mad at herself. I enjoy playing with her no matter how well we do. She's a bit competitive though
I can't play tonight so she has decided to go throw a bunch until she figures it out. I'll pass along the tips.
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Old 08-27-2014, 03:08 PM
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Sounds like maybe weight transfer? If she stays smooth and throws low, but tries to 'power up' and it goes nose up, could be that she's not getting her weight forward on the harder throws due to rushing it.

hyzell's onto something with the "shoulder punch" thing. When I was working on this, I imagined a sliding glass door at the end of the pad or at my release point, and tried to "break" the glass with my shoulder first.

Somebody on here a while back talked about doing practice throws through something like a picinic shelter, sort of forces you to keep it lower...?

If she's really into fixing it, take a quick vid and post it in the form analysis. 'winder 22'll straighten her right out.

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Old 08-27-2014, 03:18 PM
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tell her to try to punch the target with her right shoulder
Sorry Chris, but even though I have been playing disc golf for 30+ years I don't know what this means or what it might look like in a throw. Perhaps you can elaborate and clarify.
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Old 08-27-2014, 03:55 PM
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This is, by far, the most common way that new players throw. Fortunately it is very easily corrected. If I saw her in person I'm confident that I could have her throwing flat and straight in 5-10 minutes.

Are there any experienced female players that you guys know? Another woman would be the ideal teacher. A boyfriend of husband is usually the worst teacher; I speak from experience.

Here are some suggestions:
  • Make sure she is using the right disc. Get her a 150 gram Shark in DX plastic. Used if possible. Use light base plastic and Do Not use a disc that is too stable. If anything err on the side of using a disc that is too understable.
Here are some training steps to begin with until she throws flat:
(This would take 2 minutes to show but takes many words to explain.)
1) Do not use a run up or any foot work at all. Have her stand with her feet slightly wider than her shoulders. If she is right handed have her right shoulder pointing toward the basket. You could also draw a straight line from her left toes through the right toes to the basket.
2) Have her locate the bottom of her sternum/ aka breast bone. (I just learned that this called the Xiphoid process.) This is the spot where both sides of the ribs come together. She should press in on it with her finger to locate it. For guys the general area is the pec muscle, but that is rather general. (Other people sometimes suggest a popular part of female anatomy, but I think this is a little too high. Plus the discussions quickly get sidetracked by juvenile comments.)
3) Have her hold a disc with the near edge touching the bottom of the breast bone/ Xiphoid process.
4) Now use some imagination. Pretend that there is a long flat counter that is the same height as this point on the bottom of her breast bone. Move the disc straight back in a line along the "counter" top then bring back straight through on the counter until the disc is released. The motion is similar to pulling a lawn mower cord.
5) THE KEY is that all edges of the disc remain flat. Most importantly the far edge and near edge are flat and on the same plane. You can practice this and see it by dragging a disc in a straight line on a kitchen counter or a long desk. If needed, without even holding the disc, just push it in a line on a counter to see what it looks like flat. If the far edge (away from the body) dips down then the throw will go left.
5) Keep the shoulders straight. Do Not dip the left shoulder. The up angle comes from lowering the left shoulder, leaning back, and throwing the disc from low to high. The hand and disc should stay on a straight line.

Practice this on a private open field where it is just the two of you so that she doesn't get embarrassed until she gets the hang of it. Don't worry at all about distance; once she is throwing flat she will gain more distance. Throw toward some object if you like.

Once she learns how to throw flat, later on she can add footwork to gain more power.

I hope this makes sense. Let me know if you have any questions about what I have said.

I'm confident that she will get this resolved very quickly!

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Old 08-27-2014, 05:19 PM
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Wow, Thanks!
Fortunately I am not experienced enough to try to be her coach
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I tried to make the instructions as clear as possible, so please let me know how she does. I'm interested to see how it works out for her.
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After following the instructions from Olorin, and after she's become frustrated with you telling her how to do it, walk out about 150 ft, turn your back to her, and tell her to throw the disc at you. Shouldn't take her too many tries to nail you between the shoulder blades.
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