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Old 05-04-2018, 12:02 AM
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You are right, it depends on the follow through. I'll have to think on it, but the reach back would seem to be a combination of horizontal addiction and some internal rotation and the follow through horizontal abduction with the tendency towards external rotation (not that the external rotation is encouraged). I wouldn't mistake pronation for internal rotation but the two often go together. Otherwise, you are right.

Thanks for the suggestion. From my experience piriformis and IT band syndrome are way over diagnosed and are almost always not the issue. The sciatic nerve courses through the piriformis in only about 10-17% of the population. Most of the time it is being impinged elsewhere. IT band syndrome can happen with runners or other long distance/repetitive movement athletes but is not nearly as common as people think. That may be a good topic in and of it self in that sense.
What would you classify these arm articulations as?


Felt like piriformis when I'm driving in car a long time, upper hammy felt tight. After raising my hips above the knee with a towel under butt it felt much better driving. Also had a MT work on all the hip flexors, omg my hips feel so much freer.

When I was doing a lot of straddle putting practice, my left hip started cracking and hurting. Foam roller helped that a lot.
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Old 05-04-2018, 07:53 AM
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What would you classify these arm articulations as?


Felt like piriformis when I'm driving in car a long time, upper hammy felt tight. After raising my hips above the knee with a towel under butt it felt much better driving. Also had a MT work on all the hip flexors, omg my hips feel so much freer.

When I was doing a lot of straddle putting practice, my left hip started cracking and hurting. Foam roller helped that a lot.
Would mainly classify them as horizontal adduction into horizontal abduction. Looks the rotation could be more neutral in both pictures.

Often the symptom you are describing ends up being something like a ischial or gluteal bursitis. We have a lot of people that adjusting the angle they sit at when driving makes a big difference, like described. There are certain wedges we have people use to change that angle. A lot of people have tight hip flexors and we do find some myofascial work facilitates typical stretching. There is no downside to foam rolling IT Band or other structures if it helps, it is just that traditional ITB syndrome would be lateral knee pain with repetetive movements and we don't see that too often outside of runners (and even not too often then).

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One simple way you could guess at whether you are in more internal rotation or external rotation would be to get in that position and see how much you can internally rotate the shoulder and then externally rotate it. Neutral should have about equal rotations in both direction. That is by no means a tested scientific way (and will depend on how much shoulder internal and external rotation ROM you have) but may give you some idea.

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Hey Doc, quick question regarding that clearing of front foot.

I thought that clearing happens automaticly after your hip flexors can't rotate the hip more internally. So when you plant your heel, you start to rotate the hip internally which straightens your plant leg and once you can't rotate more your foot clears open. Is my image of the sequence that happens all wrong?

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Hey Doc, quick question regarding that clearing of front foot.

I thought that clearing happens automaticly after your hip flexors can't rotate the hip more internally. So when you plant your heel, you start to rotate the hip internally which straightens your plant leg and once you can't rotate more your foot clears open. Is my image of the sequence that happens all wrong?

Sorry about my bad english.
Sorry, I thought I responded the other day to you but must not have gone through. The hip flexors do not actively internally rotate the hip. In fact, the hip flexor will limit hip internal rotation range of motion. Otherwise I would agree with what you are saying, the motion should happen normally. I think of it similar to a full followthrough. It should happen naturally but many people don't do it or resist it. You should just let it happen.
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Here is the video on scapular stabilization exercise. Had one thread but the admin that was going to manage it hasn't been too responsive.

https://youtu.be/FUWJoNnsXZ0

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Hey Doc, quick question regarding that clearing of front foot.

I thought that clearing happens automaticly after your hip flexors can't rotate the hip more internally. So when you plant your heel, you start to rotate the hip internally which straightens your plant leg and once you can't rotate more your foot clears open. Is my image of the sequence that happens all wrong?

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Sorry, I thought I responded the other day to you but must not have gone through. The hip flexors do not actively internally rotate the hip. In fact, the hip flexor will limit hip internal rotation range of motion. Otherwise I would agree with what you are saying, the motion should happen normally. I think of it similar to a full followthrough. It should happen naturally but many people don't do it or resist it. You should just let it happen.
Right, your momentum drives the pelvis internally into a bracing front femur and then you can clear the front hip by extending and pivoting dynamically upright on the leg and lifting your toes slightly inside your shoe to pivot on the heel. If you are dynamically balanced on the front leg, you will pivot naturally.
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Here is the new video on rotator cuff strengthening: https://youtu.be/pKSUHI2ExlM

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Here is the new video on rotator cuff strengthening: https://youtu.be/pKSUHI2ExlM
Hey Doc, I really appreciate your content. It's very well done. I've found the scapular stabilization exercises beneficial and good pairing with the shoulder exercises.

Question: I played more than usual a couple weeks ago and my shoulder was hurting in a new spot. It now hurts when I externally rotate my arm back or even neutral as if I'm throwing the disc. It hurts at what I would guess is my posterior deltoid (it was hurting on front side and down towards the bicep but now it's more in the "back" of my shoulder and hurts to externally rotate and extend my arm back). I can take a picture of my shoulder and markup where it hurts if that helps. If I do the scapular and shoulder exercises and concentrate on having good posture the pain does lessen in severity but still present some. Finally to the question: Should I keep doing these exercises above or do something different you think?

Thank you, Doc!
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Deyo, I am sorry, I thought I responded to you a while back. The location of the pain provides only limited diagnostic information. The brain is very complicated in how it interprets pain signals. You can do the exercises but only if they are entirely pain free. It is hard to say anything with more detail without a real physical evaluation. The issue may not be entirely due to strength and if so, those exercises would not be enough by themselves.

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Hey Doc, I really appreciate your content. It's very well done. I've found the scapular stabilization exercises beneficial and good pairing with the shoulder exercises.

Question: I played more than usual a couple weeks ago and my shoulder was hurting in a new spot. It now hurts when I externally rotate my arm back or even neutral as if I'm throwing the disc. It hurts at what I would guess is my posterior deltoid (it was hurting on front side and down towards the bicep but now it's more in the "back" of my shoulder and hurts to externally rotate and extend my arm back). I can take a picture of my shoulder and markup where it hurts if that helps. If I do the scapular and shoulder exercises and concentrate on having good posture the pain does lessen in severity but still present some. Finally to the question: Should I keep doing these exercises above or do something different you think?

Thank you, Doc!
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