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It's impossible to play in a division you are not permitted to play in.
This is absolutely untrue. In fact it's very easily done.
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Old 07-28-2020, 04:09 PM
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In my area there used to be a lot of flighted tournaments. In those you'd see someone sandbagging the first round just get get flighted into a lower division that they could cash in.

We still see that some with people who don't have a PDGA number (or aren't current) and will play a lower division then they should. One of the bigger excuses is 'I don't have enough money to play advanced/open...so I'll play intermediate'
Intentionally playing badly is sandbagging, but then again, is that sanctioned?


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There is no such thing as a bagger. It's impossible to play in accordance with PDGA guidelines and in a division you are not permitted to play in.
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This is absolutely untrue. In fact it's very easily done.
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Old 07-28-2020, 05:14 PM
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. . . I heard a term being thrown around fairly commonly.
"Bagger"
It was clearly being used as an insult: almost like a direct attack on someone's character or integrity with enough animosity and vitriol behind it to sound like more than just friendly banter.
"Bagger" is a compliment. It may be an unintended compliment, but it is a compliment nonetheless. It is, unquestionably, a claim that you are good or that you performed well recently.

Even when thrown around as a joke or intended as an insult, it is a compliment. If it weren't a compliment, it would neither be funny nor reasonably calculated to be insulting.

When used in reference to you by someone against whom you had a lower score, it is especially complimentary and satisfying. In this situation, it is also strong commentary on the character of the person who uses it as an intended insult - it reveals them to be a loser at both disc golf and life.

Don't feel bad for people that you beat in a fair competition. Also don't worry about any hard feelings that they may have due to losing to you or just losing in general. Sadly those kind of people can be found in any sport.

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Old 07-28-2020, 10:56 PM
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During the socially distant check-in, the lunch break and the socially distant payouts at the end, I heard a term being thrown around fairly commonly.
"Bagger"
It was clearly being used as an insult: almost like a direct attack on someone's character or integrity with enough animosity and vitriol behind it to sound like more than just friendly banter. With no context or comprehension about why the term is an insult, I felt confused and saw for the first time that the disc golf community might have a dark and nasty underbelly.

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So, after all that, what is a 'bagger' meant to be in that context? How does it serve as an insult?
I don't know exactly where the term originated. But I guess it's someone trying to "bag" trophies and wins. So it's sometimes used to refer to players winning a division when they "should" have been playing in a higher division.

In this region (Pittsburgh and northern West Virginia), I've heard the term used but it's usually in jest, not as an insult like you mentioned. I suppose there's some thinly veiled jealousy present sometimes, but in general people seem (to me) to be joking around.

You can tell from the comments that this hits close to home for some, probably from both sides. In general, I'm sorry it gave you the impression of there being a dark and nasty underbelly; however, it probably shouldn't be too much of a surprise given the both competitive and base human nature.

People play tournaments for different reasons. For some, winning becomes an important part of why they play. They'd rather win in rec than finish 4th in intermediate, or something like that. Who knows? It may have been a warranted accusation in the case of your tournament. Either way, try not to let it take the fun out of disc golf or out of the tournament experience.
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Old 07-28-2020, 11:33 PM
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I don't know exactly where the term originated. But I guess it's someone trying to "bag" trophies and wins. So it's sometimes used to refer to players winning a division when they "should" have been playing in a higher division.
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It's not trying to "bag" trophies, it's short for "sandbagging", which is an old term for deliberately underperforming to gain advantage. If you're a good player in pickup basketball, you might shoot poorly before teams are picked, to be picked lower and give your team a better chance to win.

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Old 07-28-2020, 11:52 PM
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It's not trying to "bag" trophies, it's short for "sandbagging", which is an old term for deliberately underperforming to gain advantage. If you're a good player in pickup basketball, you might shoot poorly before teams are picked, to be picked lower and give your team a better chance to win.
Interesting. I've played way more pick up basketball in my life than disc golf, and I've either never seen that strategy or was simply oblivious.

As far as disc golf, is the implication that players have previously played poorly rated rounds intentionally so they can qualify for a lower division? That seems kinda silly. Maybe I should just be thankful that things seem pretty reasonable in my neck of the woods.
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Old 07-29-2020, 01:32 AM
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. . . valid point directed at OP even though I was quoted . . .
I should play Open only (if/when competing).

I've only ever played in Am1, most of which were BYOP doubles, and it wasn't many tournaments (rate of play is ). Yes you and MTL quote the PDGA and all that good stuff, but I guarantee I could squeeze in at least five tournaments at Am2, if not more. Should I or will I? Absolutely not. However, I absolutely could "bag" those tournaments...and then I could Am1 the same way. I'm not shooting constant 1200 rounds so how would a TD be able to truly tell my skill level (assuming I don't know them personally)?

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Old 07-29-2020, 03:33 AM
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One guy that's cheap and used to be pretty awesome.. Would only show up if money was there to be won, big carryover on an ace pot he was there.. Tournaments he's won still playing advanced. One year he registered as "Sandy Bagger". Last year I played advanced I was second overall!! Best two rounds of my life back to back in a tourney! I play pro now and am way off the top..
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I should clarify.

I CANNOT bag Am1 around here. That was spoken in hyperbole.

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