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View Poll Results: Which is the correct ranking (best to worst) of these courses by Effectiveness?
Fountain Hills/Winthrop Gold/Emporia CC 7 10.94%
Fountain Hills/Emporia CC/Winthrop Gold 2 3.13%
Winthrop Gold/Emporia CC/Fountain Hills 28 43.75%
Winthrop Gold/Fountain Hills/Emporia CC 19 29.69%
Emporia CC/Fountain Hills/Winthrop Gold 2 3.13%
Emporia CC/Winthrop Gold/Fountain Hills 6 9.38%
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Old 12-07-2018, 01:35 PM
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I've developed a possible way to measure how effective courses are at sorting players by skill. Before I release the list, I want to see if it broadly matches common perceptions.
Skill in general or all more specific individual disc golf skills? Putting, approach, driving, distance, driving accuracy, scramble, etc.
Some courses from a numbers perspective might look good in a general sense but I don't know how you would drill down to more specific skills.
Some courses might be very good at testing certain skills but not so great at testing other skills, but from a larger general overview a course that tests a limited amount of skills might still look good.
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Old 12-07-2018, 04:35 PM
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What does everyone else mean by "not fair"? Can a course be both effective and not fair?
I think unfair would be courses that punish you even after a good shot. Man made islands come to mind, where you can throw a great shot, but skip OB.
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In due time. First, I want to get a handle on effective.

One thing I'm noticing is that people seem to think not fair is the same as (or related to) not effective. To me, effective is measuring skill. Fair simply means that there is no conscious entity changing the course from player to player to make it biased.

What does everyone else mean by "not fair"? Can a course be both effective and not fair?
One problem you're having is you didn't define your own term (Skill) concretely enough, and so you're getting individual interpretations of that, and if your term "effective" is a function of skill...well there's your skew.

That's why I asked about methodology, it would minimize the variety of interpretations if it was stated.
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One problem you're having is you didn't define your own term (Skill) concretely enough, and so you're getting individual interpretations of that, and if your term "effective" is a function of skill...well there's your skew.

That's why I asked about methodology, it would minimize the variety of interpretations if it was stated.
Skill is whatever makes some players consistently have a better chance of getting lower scores than other players.
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Old 12-08-2018, 12:48 PM
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..and the award for Most Effective Performance by a Disc Golf Course in 2018 goes to.....

{sounds of envelope opening}

Winthrop Gold with baskets in the "A" position, during the United Stated Disc Golf Championships!

Code:
Rank	Score	Event/Course/Layout
1	76.1%	2018 USDGC/Winthrop/Gold A
2	74.3%	2018 Delaware Disc Golf Challenge presented by Innova - National Tour FPO Layout/Iron Hill/Gold
3	74.1%	PDGA Professional Disc Golf World Championships 2018/Fox Run/Gold
4	73.7%	2018 USDGC/Winthrop/Gold B
5	73.6%	Konopište Open 2018/Franz Ferdinand/PDGA Major
6	73.2%	DGPT - Jonesboro Open 2018/Disc Side of Heaven/Gold
7	72.4%	The Ed Headrick Disc Golf Hall of Fame Classic presented by REC TEC Grills - National Tour Finale/Jackson/Long
8	71.8%	DGPT - Memorial Championship presented by Discraft 2018/Vista Del Camino/MPO
9	71.7%	DGPT - MVP Open at Maple Hill 2018/Maple Hill/Golds
10	71.6%	European Disc Golf Championships 2018/Resort Terme Sveti Martin/Layout 1
11	71.6%	Santa Cruz Masters Cup presented by Innova - National Tour/DeLaveaga DGC/Only
12	71.5%	Beaver State Fling presented by KEEN - National Tour 2018/Milo McIver West/
13	71.4%	Beaver State Fling presented by KEEN - National Tour 2018/Milo McIver East/
14	71.3%	San Francisco Open 2018/Gleneagles Golf Course/MPO
15	70.5%	The Open - EPT#4/Ale Discgolfcenter/White
16	70.4%	DGPT - Great Lakes Open presented by Discraft 2018/Toboggan /Gold 
17	69.7%	PDGA Professional Disc Golf World Championships 2018/Brewster Ridge/Gold
18	69.6%	Skellefteå Open - EPT#3/Discgolf Terminalen /
19	69.4%	Dynamic Discs Glass Blown Open 2018/Emporia Country Club/MPO
20	69.4%	Arby's DFW presents the Nick Hyde Memorial - Pro Weekend - powered by Innova driven by Hyzerbomb/Harry Myers Park/Short on #9
21	69.3%	Las Vegas Challenge presented by Innova Champion Discs - National Tour 2018/Innova/LVC
22	68.9%	DGPT - Idlewild Open Driven by Innova Discs & The Nati 2018/Idlewild/MPO
23	68.8%	DGPT - Waco Annual Charity Open presented by Dynamic Discs 2018/Brazos Park East/MPO
24	68.3%	DGPT - Discraft Ledgestone Insurance Open 2018/Eureka Temp/A
25	68.2%	Las Vegas Challenge presented by Innova Champion Discs - National Tour 2018/Terrex/LVC
26	66.8%	Prodigy Disc Pro Tour Lahti 2018/Sunnuntain lähtöajat/
27	66.5%	Santa Cruz Masters Cup presented by Innova - National Tour/DeLaveaga Golf Course/MPO
28	65.9%	Prodigy Disc Pro Tour - Lahti 2018/Lahti/Prodigy Disc Pro Tour
29	64.6%	Nokia Open - ET#7 2018/The Beast/with some small changes
30	64.1%	DGPT - Discraft Ledgestone Insurance Open 2018/Eureka Temp/B
31	64.1%	Canadian Disc Golf Championships Presented by Dynamic Discs 2018/Hillcrest Farm DGC/
32	63.2%	DGPT - Utah Open Presented by Prodigy Disc, 2018/Mulligan's Creekside/
33	62.4%	DGPT - Memorial Championship presented by Discraft 2018/Fountain Hills/MPO
34	61.6%	The Open - EPT#4/Ale Discgolfcenter/Yellow
35	60.9%	Sula Open 2018 presented by Discmania - EPT#2/Vasset Discgolfpark/Championship
36	59.4%	Two Days in May/Darkside/MPO
37	59.1%	Canadian Disc Golf Championships Presented by Dynamic Discs 2018/Huck It Disc Golf/
38	59.1%	Las Vegas Challenge presented by Innova Champion Discs - National Tour 2018/DGV/LVC
39	58.7%	Latitude 64 Tyyni Sponsored by Dynamic Discs/Sibbe Disc Golf/
40	58.2%	Latitude 64 Tyyni Sponsored by Dynamic Discs/Nevas Golf/
41	58.0%	Latitude 64 Tyyni Sponsored by Dynamic Discs/Keinukallio, Kerava/
Method here http://www.stevewestdiscgolf.com/A_M...lf_Courses.pdf

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