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Old 09-22-2014, 11:37 PM
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Default How often do you 888, DNF rounds in league play?

I have kept with the mantra of not giving an 888 to anyone in league unless if it's a total, "Screw it, I quit" situation.
So what would you do when you have a nice college guy, the week before SECO who looses his go to disc in a round and does not finish so he can look for it.

Players statement was "I lost my go to driver. Im going to be swamped all week until the collegiate SECO tournament this weekend so I wouldn't have time to look. Finding that disc was more important to me than finishing. I wasn't even doing bad, probably would have cashed, but I didn't want to go to seco without my favorite driver. It sucks but taking one bad league round is less important than not being able to throw the shot I want to several times at the collegiate tournament this weekend"

Do you 888 a round like this in league play?
In a tournament, I would think you would have no choice but to play on...I know league is supposed to be the same but at the same time it is Tough cause every other TD would 888 a round like that. Trying to grow our league not chase folks away.

What do you think?

Also player stated, "And that article states that a player should be given an 888 if "the player intentionally attempted to have a round dropped to protect their rating by not completing the round..." as I said before, I was not throwing bad, I am certain that I was growing better than my rating. So with that being said I dont think that is a justification to place an 888 in any case if I was throwing better than I normally should"

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Old 09-22-2014, 11:42 PM
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Nah, if it's not a pattern and he didn't leave a card without enough players to complete the round I'd 999 it rather than give him the 888.
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Old 09-23-2014, 01:51 AM
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Didn't matter what tier it is, is it considered professional and sportsmanship?

If yes, 999
If no, 888

"Well, he didn't mean to foot fault, or rush his putt so he missed a three footer, so we'll give it to him."

TD decision, could go either way.
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Old 09-23-2014, 10:47 AM
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It's my understanding that the 888 is to prevent ratings manipulation. I don't see any evidence of that here, seems pretty straight forward to me.
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Old 09-23-2014, 10:57 AM
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It's my understanding that the 888 is to prevent ratings manipulation. I don't see any evidence of that here, seems pretty straight forward to me.
"Although not directly related to ratings manipulation, the 888 code can also be applied to players who DNF without giving the TD sufficient notice they would not be showing up for the next round. "Sufficient notice" is defined as at least 15 minutes prior to tee off assignment time. Players who DNF without such notice will be reported as an 888 code by the TD.

The Statistics Committee will also be tracking DNFs, Tanking and 888 codes this coming season to determine if any further actions are necessary. The intention, of course, is not simply to punish such unsportsmanlike and unprofessional behavior, but rather to draw attention to it and eliminate it from our play
. We believe that this goal can be achieved with cooperation of players and event staff. We also trust that this policy will remove the perceived rating benefit of not finishing a round or taking excessive throws. The penalty, while not a very serious or long lasting one, is intended to achieve that purpose.

Additionally, we expect these procedures to improve player behavior in regards to informing staff when they intend to not participate in a round of play. This behavior is unprofessional and organizationally disruptive, but is not currently addressed in the rules."

If not just ratings manipulation, it's also people who just drop out.

So if this player had a scorecard of 3/3/3/2/3/4/2/2, it's one thing, if it was 3/5/4/9/2/3/6, and the player "had to get his disc", then that's another thing.

It's TD discretion. But if you join a sanctioned round, and just decide to quit, that's not very sportsman like, is it?
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Old 09-23-2014, 03:31 PM
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He didn't just decide to quit. He quit to look for a valued disc. The 888 rule is 2 fold. One it is an attempt to curb tanking/quiting rounds for ratings manipulation, does not sound like it applies here. and two to make sure that players inform TD's that they will not be returning for future rounds, which is just common courtesy. This does not seem to be the case here either. So I am inclined to agree with Mashnut. 999 is what I would give him as a TD.
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Old 09-23-2014, 03:39 PM
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Since it's/he's the way you described I would allow him to drop out without the 888 but make sure he understood the next time, no matter the reason, he gets an 888.
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Old 09-23-2014, 03:57 PM
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999 Because there is zero evidence it was done to manipulate ratings.
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Old 09-23-2014, 04:16 PM
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I would give him the 999 and demand $20 cash in return. Then I would use that cash to buy cigarettes and lottery tickets.
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Old 09-23-2014, 04:18 PM
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Just kidding, I don't smoke... probably just lottery tickets.
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