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Old 11-22-2019, 12:15 PM
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I must have way better luck in Waves than everyone else. Every Plasma Wave I've had has thrown basically the same, and I've owned 4 or 5 of them. I don't like the mold in the other plastic types (neutron & proton), because they fly a lot worse for me and they mold up way too flat for an US disc. But a Wave in Plasma plastic is just perfect for my flippy driver slot.

Now as for trying to pair it with other gyro molds, that is a lost cause. The other drivers in that class fly way more OS and they don't glide well for me. If you're looking to pair it with a driver of similar feel, I think you're better off going Wraith/Trespass/Plasma Wave rather than trying to use the other MVP and Axiom molds in the same speed class. I had a season of trial and error with gyro, but only their throwing putters and the Wave stayed in my bag.
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Old 11-22-2019, 12:23 PM
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Only thing to consider with the Tern is that the rim is really wide at 2.3 cm. Same as a Shryke and slightly wider than a Destroyer (2.2). I prefer the Pro Wraith for this reason, but I do have small hands.
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Old 11-22-2019, 12:40 PM
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As a noodle armed person, increased speed does help if it's understable enough. I can get a Heat or Sidewinder out to 300 or so on a good throw. However, I can get a Shryke or Tern 300+ on an average throw and closer to 350 on a good one. So if I need to get 310 or so I have a much better chance with a faster disc.

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Old 12-01-2019, 09:58 AM
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I hate when the OP never follows up, so here you go

The MVP Wave is Plasma plastic is now beating a hyzer flipped Z FLX Discraft Heat, but only by about 10 feet on average. The Heat has so much glide! A Champion Innova Tern is not quite getting there yet, but might when it loses a touch more over stability for my arm speed, or when my arm speed improves.

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Old 12-01-2019, 01:12 PM
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For my average arm, having worked with and compared many fairway and distance drivers in the field, the disc I can get the most distance out of consistently is the Wraith. For me it hits the sweet spot of speed and control. I will occasionally throw something faster farther, but can't do it on a consistent basis.
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Old 12-01-2019, 05:54 PM
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Disc flight theory question:

Given that both discs are thrown correctly with proper nose angle at a medium power.

What flies further:

A stable disc but slower disc (say speed 7, turn 0) that gets up to proper flying speed with medium power.

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An under stable but faster disc (say speed 11, turn -2) that may not be at full speed so it has just a bit of flip, but mostly goes straight at the same power.

Example: Teebird at proper speed vs Beast slightly underpowered. Just curious. Right now speed 9 is about my power level, but wondering if an under stable speed 11 or 12 would give me mor distance....thanks!
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I hate when the OP never follows up, so here you go

The MVP Wave is Plasma plastic is now beating a hyzer flipped Z FLX Discraft Heat, but only by about 10 feet on average. The Heat has so much glide! A Champion Innova Tern is not quite getting there yet, but might when it loses a touch more over stability for my arm speed, or when my arm speed improves.

Thanks for the help!
I took a quick skim through the thread. We don't really know how far you throw or even what you throw. "Average arm" means a lot of different things. For distance, does that mean 280'? 300'? 350'? That might be less pertinent than how you get your distance, e.g. are you strong-arming and throwing with pretty good form.

That said, I agree with a lot of what's being said. Personally, I put a lot of stock in disc speed, and think my max ideal disc speed for my backhand arm speed is around 10. Nevertheless, for max D you are right, a higher speed disc will get you some extra D. For me, that disc is a Champ Tern. It maintains just enough high speed stability that I can consistently hyzer flip it without flipping it over. The downside, of course, is control. On tighter courses or those with a lot of OB, I'll usually use a Leopard3 for similar shots. In an open field, the Tern will get me 30-50 extra feet, but it just ain't worth it in some conditions.

And I've also had plenty of times where I've out-thrown a Beast or Tern type disc with a Teebird. Working on form and mastering nose angles and release points is more important than picking the disc. Also, when control matters, don't underestimate the power of picking a disc that works well with 80% power. A Pro Leopard is one that I love for those 80% technical distance shots.

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Old 12-02-2019, 01:18 PM
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Shryke, Thrasher and King are excellent high speed drivers for those of us who rarely throw 350'. I would add a Lat64 Goldline Sword as well; for me, once beat in it behaves like a much faster S-line FD.
I tend to throw discs too low so I have been throwing more 7 speed discs in an effort to learn to get more air under the disc. I have been hyzer flipping a Maul with great control for surprising distance.

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Old 12-14-2019, 10:45 AM
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I have a Jade that is 158g, 9 6 -2 2 that gets me the farthest distance for me.

MVP Plasma Inertia which is 155g I believe (12 speed) does well too.

I'd say I'm more comfortable throwing heavier discs than that due to any wind pattern. If hardly any winds, the Jade "crushes" with my noodle arm.
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Old 12-16-2019, 11:40 AM
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Only thing to consider with the Tern is that the rim is really wide at 2.3 cm. Same as a Shryke and slightly wider than a Destroyer (2.2). I prefer the Pro Wraith for this reason, but I do have small hands.
FYI the Tern has a rim width comparable to that of a Wraith, not a Destroyer. I know the PDGA measurements say otherwise, but goes to show that they are to be taken with a grain of salt.

I believe Innova calls it a speed 12 because of the shallow rim depth.
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oops- wrong thread. Mods pls delete.

I'll stand by lower arm speeds sticking to 9-10 speed. Higher speed stuff that's more understable is more likely to be less consistent, especially if there is any wind at all.

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