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Old 07-14-2019, 01:00 PM
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The reason I watch DG is to learn from the best. From grips to foot work to follow throughs I am always looking for ways to improve my game. It doesn't seem to be helping though... probably because I only play once a week.
I scored lower when I played once every 2-3 weeks than I do now playing 2-3 times a week...
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Old 07-14-2019, 01:31 PM
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I agree with everything you said except the last part. I think improving the broadcasts does attract more viewers. But it's attracting more disc golfers to watch, not the mythical non-player.

Just as a hypothetical example, if Smashboxx (or some other media group) were to improve the live broadcast notably...say improved equipment with better signal quality plus tripling the number of cameras with quality experienced operators on the course...I think more people would tune in to the live broadcasts. Especially if it's a compelling event with the right players in contention on multiple cards and the right voices on the microphones. Basically a broadcast that plugs all the holes that are most commonly cited as reasons not to watch live: slow pace, only one group, boring/bad commentary, poor video quality.

I'm not saying we could start seeing Cornhole on ESPN2 kind of numbers, but would 15-20K concurrent viewers be unrealistic if we're typically topping out at 6-7K with the way the broadcasts are done now?
Yeah, I agree. I think I made a big jump by saying improvement wouldn’t net more viewers (HD, for instance, was a godsend for cycling broadcasts and likely attracted more viewing cyclists).

Say the improvements you mention happen and viewership grows. Would that viewership attract outside sponsors/interests? That always seems to be the question when it comes to dg, especially given such outside investments might be needed to fund the broadcast requirements dg asks for.

I’m not saying anything new here. How and where dg is played makes high-level live coverage have a high price point.

And, honestly, I don’t really care or maybe even want dg to ever have mainstream coverage. But I’m up for better coverage.
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Old 07-14-2019, 01:42 PM
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Yeah, I agree. I think I made a big jump by saying improvement wouldn’t net more viewers (HD, for instance, was a godsend for cycling broadcasts and likely attracted more viewing cyclists).

Say the improvements you mention happen and viewership grows. Would that viewership attract outside sponsors/interests? That always seems to be the question when it comes to dg, especially given such outside investments might be needed to fund the broadcast requirements dg asks for.

I’m not saying anything new here. How and where dg is played makes high-level live coverage have a high price point.

And, honestly, I don’t really care or maybe even want dg to ever have mainstream coverage. But I’m up for better coverage.
I think 15-20K in concurrent viewership would garner more/better outside sponsorship than 5-6K does. Certainly not earth-shattering by any means, but enough to justify the added expenses of an expanded broadcast? Perhaps.

And maybe if that level of effort stabilizes as the norm, maybe further investment in the broadcast could net more growth. It's an incremental process. It always has been. The unfortunate thing is that incremental isn't fast enough for some folks.

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Old 07-14-2019, 05:19 PM
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A lot of disc golfers I know don't even watch disc golf
I’ve played for almost 20 years at this point and never watched a single DG tournament until earlier this year when a new job gave me time to really get back into the game again. I gotta say, I was blown away by the quality of the coverage and the level of play I saw when I first tuned into Jomez.

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Old 07-14-2019, 05:27 PM
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Old 07-15-2019, 06:29 AM
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More people relate and play Cornhole than DG. I dont even watch DG on live stream or stuff like what's in the bag of some pro.
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Old 07-15-2019, 08:35 AM
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I grew up watching and loving the Detroit Tigers. Now I can't even sit through a regular season game. I think our attention spans are dwindling, fast.
Same here, except I'm a Braves fan. Watched them almost religiously through the good years of the 1990s-early 2000s. Now, I haven't seen a baseball game on TV in years, much less the Braves. I always thought I lost interest as I grew older, but you might be right about attention spans dwindling.
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Old 07-15-2019, 09:05 AM
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I grew up watching and loving the Detroit Tigers. Now I can't even sit through a regular season game. I think our attention spans are dwindling, fast.
In the past year, two things have become true for me.

(1) I've discovered Jomez and CCDG for the first time. I hadn't followed pros anywhere since the late '90s when I was there in person watching final nines at a few big tournaments and the 2000 worlds. I never thought to even care about watching footage on the internet.

The quality is so good that I'm hooked.

What we have is top-notch quality coverage for a sport that's inherently awesome, the only sport I can think of (maybe besides fishing) where the main idea of the game is changing the projectile itself to suit differing challenges.

I'm watching a sport I love to play myself. That's what's compelling for all of us DG enthusiasts when it comes to Jomez and CCDG.

(2) I grew up a baseball lover, both as a fan and a player (was a varsity HS catcher 30 years ago). I now realize this was mostly cultural, not so much an innate love for the game (maybe other than the simple act of pitching and hitting). It's not a game I can play anymore, so that element is gone too.

I'm also older and facing the fact that my free time is finite. Their 162 games are three hours each, give or take. I don't have that kind of time for things I don't love.

Now that the Tigers' organization is a complete disaster from top to bottom, there's no reason for me to pay attention. I would have said even two or three years ago that following them like a scout would might be worth it for me, but I don't believe Chris Illitch gives a damn about the product on the field, and the results of this awful rebuild show it. Avila has bungled the trade flips...and just got a contract extension!

The Lions did that to me for football several years ago. I got sick of ruining a Sunday afternoon, and it made me question the sport itself. I'm pretty much done with it too. I don't care to spend sedentary time watching guys run into each other and forming piles on the ground. It's boring. Thanks, William Clay Ford, for making me see it this way!

What does this all mean in the big picture? I think more people are going to encounter Disc Golf by seeing a couple of throws on Jomez as they're walking by a monitor and will be encouraged to try out the sport. It's going to be an added catalyst to the already healthy, good growth Disc Golf has been experiencing for decades. Very exciting!

I also can see how the traditional sports are going to lose interest over time with the coming younger generations. The cultural aspects are vanishing. The bubble is going to burst for baseball and there won't be the kind of money in it to pay these guys tens of millions per year to chase a ball on a manicured lawn while wearing pajamas for hundreds of hours each season, especially for very crappy franchises. It's not going to disappear in the short term, but I'd be surprised if baseball resembles its 1950's heyday at all in another half a lifetime. Basketball and football probably won't suffer as much. Lots of people love to watch them some blood sport and football provides that...until they change the game so much for safety reasons that it doesn't resemble itself. Again, what's it going to look like in half a lifetime?

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Old 07-15-2019, 11:11 AM
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I would argue that both football and boxing are less safe than they were in the 1950s. The heavy gloves and heavy pads allow one to hit much harder. Rugby players do not suffer the brain injuries like America football.
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Old 07-15-2019, 12:21 PM
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More people relate and play Cornhole than DG. I dont even watch DG on live stream or stuff like what's in the bag of some pro.
I just don't think that is the "why" though. I think it is way more about the game itself. The simplicity, fast paced production, etc. I don't think there is anything disc golf can do about it. ESPN may be banking on people recognizing those boxes with the hole in them, but I would suspect that even if Cornhole was a widely unknown niche sport (like disc golf) it could still make a successful TV production.

Does anyone relate to Hot Dog eating competitions? I don't think so. I think producers recognized it could translate to TV well and if done right, keep audiences engaged.

Disc Golf is a sport where that "affinity" and "social belonging" mentioned by another poster may be a precursor to it making it to a mainstream production.

That was really my point about it being "unwatchable" by non players. I did say "as it exists today" which does make it sound like I was saying a better production = better chance at mainstream, but that's not the case. I was just pointing out that the game itself does not translate to non-players like Cornhole does.

Maybe not though. Maybe the only reason Cornhole made it to TV is because producers banked on familiarity.
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